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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 05:19 PM
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Mexico drug violence not an 'emergency,' White House says
Source: MSNBC

While drug violence continues to spread in Mexico, White House officials have decided the situation doesn’t rank as an “emergency” under federal rules, officials tell NBC News. The decision scuttles — at least for now — a controversial proposal requiring gun stores in four Southwest border states to report multiple sales of semiautomatic assault rifles and other long guns to authorities.

The decision to delay the proposed federal rule, which comes amid fresh reports that rival cartels are waging murderous gun battles in the once peaceful city of Guadalajara, drew an unusually sharp rebuke from Mexico’s ambassador to the United States.

“It is certainly disappointing that politics trumps sound policy,” Mexican Ambassador Arturo Sarukhan said in an email to NBC about the White House decision. “We can’t keep on fiddling while the issue of arms trafficking to Mexico continues to burn.”

The gun reporting rule was announced in December by Kenneth Melson, acting director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, an arm of the Justice Department, as an important step that the U.S. government could take to help staunch the flow of illegal weapons to the Mexican drug cartels.



Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41495274/ns/us_news-security/
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 05:24 PM
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1. If this isn't a misstep, I don't know what is
I'm not so sure the reporting requirement would help, but the Obama administration seems to have bungled this message badly.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 05:32 PM
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2. "Mexico drug violence not an 'emergency,' ..."
Except for the hundreds of innocent people who are dying each year because of our fucking drug use. :shrug:
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 02:03 AM
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13. There's more than one way to look at this..
I would argue that hundreds of innocent people are dying each year because our corrupt politicians utterly refuse to rescind a policy that any educated person knows full well failed in the nineteen twenties and has been failing ever since.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:14 AM
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14. I agree about decriminalizing/legalizing.
That would be the best thing for everyine, but I also do this we should look at our drug use -- not pot neccessarily, but stuff like coke.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:36 AM
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19. How about stuff like alcohol?
How about stuff like nicotine?

Alcohol and nicotine cause immensely more societal damage in our country than do cocaine or heroin, why do those two drugs always get a pass when discussing the legal status of recreational drugs?
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:17 AM
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16. Well if they're dead
then nothing is an emergency for them any more.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 05:32 PM
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3. what!?!? oy. nt
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 05:56 PM
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4. It's not an emergency in the sense that it occurred suddenly and requires rapid response.
The problem has been a long ongoing and steadily increasing problem. I don't see why an ongoing and well known & forseen problem requires such radpid response. I prefer to use due process and congress to actually pass the measures above the table. ATF, TSA, FBI... I'm tired of alphabet agencies writing the laws on a whim that they then get to enforce themselves. The whole fox guardin gthe henhouse thing, you know.

All those pictures of seized rocket launchers, machineguns, & grenades we see in news reports... that shit isn't coming from american citizens or private sales. That is military hardware. Maybe if Mexico valued security over enabling the export immigrants to the US... the border would be easier to secure.

MSNBC needs to get thier facts straight. No such thing as a semiautomatic assault rifle.
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timo Donating Member (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:02 PM
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5. damn your common sense and logic!!!
"All those pictures of seized rocket launchers, machineguns, & grenades we see in news reports... that shit isn't coming from american citizens or private sales. That is military hardware. Maybe if Mexico valued security over enabling the export immigrants to the US... the border would be easier to secure."
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:20 PM
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6. What in the world is a "semiautomatic assault rifle" ?
For that matter, what is an "assault rifle"?
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Sonoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:30 PM
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7. Surprise! The NRA runs everything.
The WH and Congress and most urban governments.

They are weighing in on everything, not just guns and ammo.

There was a great segment on NPR regarding this a few weeks ago. The report claimed NRA is now the heaviest lobby in DC.

Sonoman
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:54 PM
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8. I remember the piece mentioned NRA protects dirty gun dealers by opposing electronic registration
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Sonoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 07:18 PM
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9. It was quite sobering.
I shouldn't have been surprised, but I had always seen them as gun-centric.

They are into everything.

Sonoman
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:20 AM
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17. The NRA isn't the cause of this
our drug laws are.

Look what happened here when prohibition ended: http://forum.sportsmogul.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18149&d=1219605394

That drop didn't occur because the 21st amendment banned guns.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 07:22 PM
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10. What the hell??? How bad does it have to get for it to be an emergency??
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 07:27 PM
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11. Interesting timing.
The timing of the release of this statement, is indeed interesting.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 07:36 PM
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12. It's a Boo-Boo! It's an Oopsie! It's a Whoops!
Perhaps even an "Ay caramba!"

But certainly not an emergency!
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:17 AM
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15. It probably isn't an emergency
at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

But for anyone who lives near the border it sure as heck is.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:27 AM
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18. Not an emergency? so deportations should continue? n/t
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:25 PM
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20. Did nobody actually read the article?
But a White House spokeswoman clarified that statement this week, telling NBC that ATF had sought to adopt the rule under a provision of federal rules that allows for expedited procedures in the case of an “emergency.” Lawyers for the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) concluded that the provision was really intended for natural disasters such as Hurricane Katrina, not for events such as drug violence south of the border, said Meg Reilly, a spokeswoman for OMB, which reviews all federal rules.

“OMB determined after careful review that ATF’s request did not satisfy the “emergency” exception under the statute and relevant regulations,” Reilly wrote in an email to NBC. “We felt that it was important to move this notice of information collection through the standard review process to provide adequate time for the public to weigh in. Our objective is to ensure that any information collection in this area is as informed and effective as possible – and public comment is critical to that outcome."
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