A few Ohio Democrats cross into the president's camp

04/08/04

Tom Diemer
Plain Dealer Bureau


Washington- Sen. Zell Miller's effort to persuade prominent fellow Democrats to support President Bush in the 2004 election has yielded a handful of recruits in Ohio, including former Cleveland Rep. Jim Stanton.

In truth, Stanton would have joined the president's camp without prodding from Miller, who is leading a group called "Democrats for Bush." Stanton, who backed Bush against Al Gore in the closely contested 2000 election, says national security issues drew him to the Republican incumbent.

"I really believe that the president is doing everything humanly possible to protect this country, and while like every American I deeply regret the price that we are paying, I do not want to go the way of the French or the Spanish," Stanton said. "I believe we have to fight terrorism every step of the way."

Stanton was president of Cleveland City Council in the 1960s and subsequently served six years in Congress, before losing a Senate primary race to Howard Metzenbaum in 1976. Since then, he has built a career as a businessman and Washington lobbyist and has also kept his finger in politics, running unsuccessfully for chairman of the Democratic National Committee in 1989.

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And I mean NOW !

I believe that you declare your party affiliation and then you let the voters decide. Beyond endorsements and other election race help, I don't think the party has any sway over your positions or votes. That is why LaRouch is running as a Dem.

Have to sign an afadavit declaring they will not support candidates of an opposing party.Doesn't that apply to elected officials as well? If you are elected as a Democrat, don't you still have a Party obligation? I still think they should be kicked out. If they don't support us, we should not support them!

You can't kick someone out of the party like it is some kind of college fraternity. People are Democrats by registering to vote as Democrats (or by declaring that they are Democrats in states with nonpartisan registeration).

Most of these guys are former elected officials, so there is little recourse aginst them. The exception is Bexley Mayor David Madison. If Democratic voters in his city want, they can vote for another candidate when he runs for reelection.

People who are in elected office receive MONEY and other support from the democratic party. When you work against the party (i.e. to get a republican fascists elected) that money and other support from the democratic party should STOP.

anyone running for president on the democratic ticket does. Don't know about any other state.

:shrug: If we wished to make it an issue we could do that. I think we should out every trteasonous DINO and ask them "Politely" to leave the party. It is hard enough with the real Democrats to agree on issues but throw in a Republican dressed up as a Democrat and we lose much credibility.

He is still a Republican.

David Duke ran for president as a Democrat in 1988 - we said "we won't allow you to be a Democrat" so he then ran for Governor as a Republican... they said "we won't allow you to cal yourself a Republican" He sued and the ACLU backed him up. So he's a republican (and I think in prison for funneling money from those campaigns into his pocket).

We dodged a bullet on that one. Of course we've still got LaRouche :-(

That's all they are, Scab bastards. :mad:

get rid of them, voters.

Remove them from the party and let loose with everything we know about them. Fuck them. They're on their own now.

worthless as Zell Miller? Numbers, how many? About five. Big fucking deal, 'eh?

As much as I may not agree with all of Kerry's policies, I would never actively campaign for Shrub & Co.

What would drive someone to support the opposing candidate who stands for NOTHING that the Dem party platform supports?

:shrug:

Or both.

John Kerry, a New Democrat.

In having a sig line photo of a DLC Clinton, but getting on Kerry's case for being a new democrat?

Most New Democrats are good Democrats who are supporting Kerry. What is ironic is the level of hate the some here on DU show toward the DLC, considering that the party's nominee for President is a DLCer.

IN support of civil unions, UN taking over Iraq, shutting down offshore tax havens, affordable healthy care making the conservation a priority....and a voting record in the Senate that rivals Kennedy's...

Yep pretty Republican that one...dunno how we missed him.

Seems like 72' all over again. I wish someone would defect to our side.

aisle to keep the budget talks from having a 60 vote "filibuster" proof majority. I'll see if I can find a link. The GOP are getting more and more nervous about the "drunken sailor" spending going on.

http://www.hillnews.com/news/040704/dirtydozen.aspx

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Like Stanton, White also endorsed Bush in 2000 and says he has no intention of formally changing parties. Neither Stanton nor White has lived in Ohio for decades.
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They are wealthy,fat cat lobbyists who, frankly, would not be welcomed by the Democrats in any event.

Their allegiance to Bush has been bought and paid for.

Before the primary, so SOMEONE who was a REAL Democrat could have run against them...but then, that wouldn't be true to these folks' conniving M.O., would it?:mad:

Proving that, when it comes to telling the truth, they're a lot like Dub in more ways than one!:grr:

B-)

There is no way these people were Dems.

Bush is going to lose Ohio anyway.

reps to support the party's candidate. It is beyond the pale that the party would still support these guys who ACTIVELY campaign for the opposing party's candidate.

This is one of the things that causes people to support third parties. They want candidates to be accountable to the PEOPLE who elect them.

Just think that if this guy worked for a company and instead of urging people to support his company, say Apple, he is urging people to support Microsoft. Apple would have every right (and responsibility IMHO) to FIRE this guy. Well, Mr Stanton should be fired in the next election.

cannot call themselves a Democrat.

Bush is the antithesis of the Democratic Party's principles.

Stanton says, "I really believe that the president is doing everything humanly possible to protect this country."

Apparently "everything humanly possible" doesn't extend to doing practical things like chemical plant and tanker security (something the corporations don't want to pay for and Bush won't push for) or even getting one job done (i.e., dealing with terrorist threats in Afghanistan and Pakistan) before sinking billions of dollars and thousands of human lives into another (i.e., Iraq).

I find it ridiculous that people keep pretending that this administration is competent. They've screwed up virtually everything they've touched, and they really only stand for two things: self-righteousness and more money for their own pockets.

...I am ashamed of being an Ohioan.

of right wing loyalists? That's the question in front of us. It would take a big movement of concerned Dem voters to vote them out. Are progressives up to it?

and ask to be taken aboard. They may soon be doggy-paddling for their lives. :evilgrin:

There's a special plane in Hell reserved for these turncoats. If they can't support their party, then they should change their party to one that they can support and, if their constituents choose to vote for them as Republican candidates or Libertarian candidates or Zulu worker party candidates, whatever, well and good, democracy is served. But to present oneself to one's constituents as a Democratic candidate and then work to undermine the goals of the party one is allegedly representing? That's an altogether different matter, and there's a word for it: treachery.

NT!

It wasn't the DLCers who voted for Nader in 2000.

Level - Who are sent there?

Purgatory - Repenting Believers
Level 1 - Limbo Virtuous Non-Believers
Level 2 - Lustful
Level 3 - Gluttonous
Level 4 - Prodigal and Avaricious
Level 5 - Wrathful and Gloomy
Level 6 - "The City of Dis" Heretics
Level 7 - Violent
Level 8 - "the Malebolge" Fraudulent, Malicious, Panderers
Level 9 - "Cocytus" Treacherous

Looks to me like they'll be sharing space with Lucifer and Judas...

He always was pretty much of a DINO, plus, since he's already in prison, he represents the future of the repuke party. :evilgrin:

And ran for Congress as in independent from prison in 2002.

these people out.

There are plenty of Republicans willing, ready and able to vote for JFK and have already voiced their support.

There are going to be DINOs and RINOs regardless of party loyalties. Southern Democrats are often more conservative than Northern Republicans. A lot of times, it depends on the individual. Jim Jeffords, for example, switched to being an Independent simply because a lot of his votes were supporting Democratic issues, but at heart, he is still a Conservative in a lot of ways. John McCain supports a lot of liberal issues as well, which is why it's nice to have him in our camp sometimes, but legally and probably philosophically, he is still a Republican.

That would be interesting.

could dig up more impressive Dems that the old has-been and ding batZell. The old has-been has been out of politics since 1976 other than lobbying for his own self interests.

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