CNN: 6 More Marines Killed in Iraq

from Pentagon sources. Sanchez said fighting in Falluja is now "moderate". no link yet

now I am confused.

There's also a Paris Bomb alert going on... Jesus.

They are letting the casualties out in dribs and drabs so as not to shock the murikans I am afraid...

I'm afraid we're starting to see out-and-out lying about the numbers killed. It happened in Viet Nam.

They keep issuing new releases mentioning old battles and adding in or leaving out new numbers along the way so that no one is sure of what is truly happening. But they are not actually lying, just obscuring. And the media plays along.

We won't know the final number until deep into Easter Sunday, when absolutely nobody is paying attention.

You're right... they're just trickling it out, little by little, so that Americans can continue to believe the Pentagonian Lie that the situation is "under control."

Didn't we all predict this?

Thanks to my Tivo:

Word from the Pentagon says that 6 more troops were killed during fighting in Iraq, but US military officials say the Marines now face only light fighting in Iraq.

And that's all they had to say about that. :shrug:

Right after that, they showed the al-Jazeera footage of the three kidnapped Japanese civilians. The South Koreans have been released.

over the last two days. I wish I had tivo!

:o

Smoke billows from the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) headquarters in Baghdad. Explosions were heard in the Iraqi capital as Muslim insurgents fought with the US-led coalition.(AFP/Nicolas Asfouri)

these people are shameless. That smoke from the green zone looks serious! Yikes, I bet the viceroy is hiding under his bed!

To assist him in his next hallucinatory dispatch to the world.

... during Vietnam? Is this a similar thing occurring? Did they put Myers and Rummy out there to tell us everything was peachy-keen and under control while soldiers squirmed in pain and died???

You absolutely called the "trickle." When do you predict we'll know the true numbers from the insurgency; deaths, wounded, and civilians?

it's hard to keep up.

Its actually 11

Apparently they took some casualties "over the weekend," and Bush is now planning to spend Easter there.

I'm unclear on when these soldiers perished...

ON EDIT: Never mind... these were the 8 Fort Hood soldiers killed on April 4th in Baghdad.

http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2004/nr20040407-0531.html

Jesus... it's coming so fast and furious that you can't keep up. It's absoutely horrifying.

I Have the following from April 7:

7-Apr: 3
2 - I MEF killed in action, Fallujah;
1 - 1AD killed by RPG attack, Baghdad
http://www.cjtf7.com/media-information/April2004/040407c.htm

* This was reported earlier, with at least one death witnessed by a BBC reporter and reported on the BBC. It is currently being hidden in a bizarre stylistic used by CBS News, which had earlier reported these two deaths openly:

"Fifteen Marines were reported killed in fighting in Fallujah and neighboring Ramadi since Monday." (From CBS News 4/7/04)

Since 12 Marines were reported killed in Ramadi, and since, as of Tuesday, April 6, only 1 Marine had been reported killed in Fallujah, I think we can safely assume that the reported total KIA for Fallujah is currently 3, with 2 of those occuring April 7.

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Can you please document each of the eleven KIAs with news stories, locations, etc. I'm finding it difficult to keep track because the Marines do not specify the location or type of action, and because the news has started this "since Monday" or "in the last two days" nonsense which further obscures the news. As far as I can tell, I will not place any additional figures (people, of course) on my list until I get some better confirmation/ documentation.

Where do you see 11???

U.S. Marines pray over a fallen comrade at a first aid point after he died from wounds suffered in fighting in Fallujah, Iraq (news - web sites), Thursday, April 8, 2004. Hundreds of U.S. Marines have been fighting insurgents in several neighborhoods in the western Iraqi city of Fallujah in order to regain control of the city. (AP Photo/Murad Sezer)


RIP-----Saigon

Sorry this has to be shown

IMMEDIATE RELEASE April 8, 2004

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DoD Identifies Army Casualty
The Department of Defense announced today the death of a soldier who was supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Spc. Tyanna S. Felder, 22, of Bridgeport, Conn., died April 7, in Balad, Iraq, of injuries sustained on April 4 in Mosul when her convoy vehicle was hit with an improvised explosive device. Felder was assigned to the Army’s 296th Brigade Support Battalion, 3rd Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division, Fort Lewis, Wash.

The incident is under investigation.

http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2004/nr20040408-0538.html

IMMEDIATE RELEASE April 8, 2004

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DoD Identifies Marine Casualty
The Department of Defense announced today the death of a Marine who was supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Lance Cpl. Shane L. Goldman, 20, of Orange, Texas, died April 5 due to injuries received from hostile fire in Al Anbar Province, Iraq. He was assigned to 1st Battalion, 5th Marines, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force, Camp Pendleton, Calif.

http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2004/nr20040408-0539.html

IMMEDIATE RELEASE April 8, 2004

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DoD Identifies Marine Casualties
The Department of Defense announced today the death of two Marines who were supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Lance Cpl. Marcus M. Cherry, 18, of Imperial, Calif.

Pfc. Benjamin R. Carman, 20, of Jefferson, Iowa.

Both died April 6, due to hostile fire in Al Anbar Province, Iraq. They were assigned to 2nd Battalion, 4th Marines, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force, Camp Pendleton, Calif.

For further information related to this release, contact the Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton Public Affairs Office at (760) 725-5044.

http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2004/nr20040408-0536.html

Still no count on the casualties from today, April 8?

Died of Wounds sustained April 4.

All those Marines were listed earlier as numbers (these releases put names and units to them).

Five US Marines dead in Fallujah
April 8, 2004

FIVE US Marines were killed today by gunfire from within the mosque in the Iraqi city of Fallujah that was under attack from US forces, a Central Command spokesman said.

US marines pressing an offensive Fallujah, west of Baghdad, bombed a central mosque earlier and killed up to 40 insurgents holed up inside, a marine officer in Iraq said.

The bombing came after several hours of small arms and rocket-propelled grenade (RPG) fire from insurgents.

Earlier, The Associated Press reported the military as saying two US marines had been killed in fighting in Fallujah over the past two days.

But it said the marines had not given a full casualty count.
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,9225075%255E1702,00.html

Military Fatalities: By Time Period:

Period US UK Other Total Avg Days
3 503 26 44 573 1.67 343
2 22 2 0 24 1.09 22
1 117 31 0 148 7.05 21
Total 642 59 44 745 1.93 386

Per Lunaville this I believe is low 642 KIA

Six hundred forty two

U.S. soldiers carry a colleague from the scene of an attack on their convoy in Fallujah, Iraq (news - web sites), in this image made from video Thursday, April 8, 2004. Two marines were wounded in the attack when their vehicle was attacked by a rocket-propelled grenade. (AP Photo/US Pool via APTN)

That report was reversed YESTERDAY, when CENTCOM corrected it to FIVE WOUNDED. In fact, if you got the FIVE Killed in the mosque incident from Lunaville, then you surely see the corrected story RIGHT ABOVE IT:

Corrected Link

The reason that article is dated April 8 is because it is from Australia, where it was, presumably, already April 8 when the news was reported for us April 7.

I'm trying to be an honest broker here. I asked you where you got the number 11 for April 8, and you post numerous links for deaths that occurred April 5, April 6 and April 7. Here is the list I have for April 4-April 8. Can you add any new documentation to account for your claim of 11 today?

4-Apr 11
1 - I MEF killed in hostile action, al-Anbar Province;
8 - 1AD killed in ambush, al-Sadr city section of Baghdad;
1 - Task Force Olympia, killed in IED attack, Mosul;
1 - 1ID killed in IED attack, Kirkuk

5-Apr 8
5 - I MEF killed in hostile fire, al-Anbar province (Fallujah fighting);
3 - 1AD killed in fighting, Baghdad

6-Apr 13
12 - I MEF killed in attack on Governor's Palace, ar-Ramadi;
1 - 1ID killed in convoy attack, Balad

7-Apr 4
2 - I MEF killed in action, Fallujah;
1 - 1AD killed by RPG attack, Baghdad;
1 - 1ID, died of wounds sustained 04/04 in RPG attack, Balad

8-Apr 2
2 - I MEF killed in action, Fallujah;

Do you have documentation for an additional 9 deaths on April 8 or not?

Saigon quit confusing the living hell out of me!

Edit: I read somewhere earlier that for TODAY (i.e. deaths that happened AFTER most of us went to bed last night) were either 2 marines OR 2 marines and 3 soldiers. www.lunaville.org has only added 2 and was way behind yesterday with their totals. www.antiwar.com hasn't updated at all today.

AUGH!

Have to do some work you know :-) I believe you are right on the 5. I have a notepad where I write the numbers down and that's where I got 5. I was not paying attention yesterday--- sorry.

I will spend some time researching again.

And I mean that. Tough times, these. Keep your head up, brother. :-)

3 army soldiers
2 marines

Depends on if you count a WIA from Apr 4 to KIA today Apr 8

http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/Casualty_Report.asp?CasualtyReport=20040414.txt

that came back alive a few hours after CENTCOM announced they had been killed?:crazy:

I don't know how to say this in a way that is not insensitive. But I am desperately trying to document this horror. I'm trying to determine where you came up with the number 11. I accede to 2 Marines KIA (in Fallujah) today, April 8, but that is all I can confirm for this day. You say 11, and I would like to confirm that number if possible. Thanks.

And welcome home.

While I have myself drank Ba Moi Ba on the Roof of the Rex in Ho Chi Minh City, I did so in the 1990's, not the 1960's.

It took a while to get used to it. They used too have Black Label and Lone Star there for the troops. Bad brews which tasted like skunk piss smells, after being out in the hot 100 degree sun for a few days

that picture has me blubbering. And the one on the front page of the Dallas Morning News yesterday - such a young soldier in such extreme anguish, his face reflecting utter pain (reacting to the combat death of his buddy) - *sniff*.

Six US soldiers died today in firefights. Un untold wounded were wounded. They didn't die in a crashing helicopter. They didn't all fall victim to a bomb. They were shot by different groups opposing the occupation of Iraq.

Attacks happened in several cities. The attacks were coordinated. It's been on the news for days.

God forbid some network interrupt a soap opera or a game show over something so commonplace that we many people don't even discuss it that much anymore.

Some flag waver will surely protest that "They volunteered" or "They died for our freedom". Yeah, well you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

My opinion is that six young Americans did not volunteer to be forgotten. They didn't volunteer to help prove political points, garner votes or demonstrate American machismo. They didn't want to die and the six people who will take their place will not want to die either.

But as long as we remain in Iraq our children will die. As long as we remain in Iraq both of our countries will suffer.

BRING THEM HOME NOW! Stop the killing.

We don't know what the hell is happening, reports of three cities being in Iraqi hands are confusing at best. If this were the fucking A Team tv show I could buy it, but urban warfare, street to street house to house. I'm willing to wager that we've sustained heavy casualties, six dead my ass.

... leads this American to believe that someone is hiding something big.

somewhat similar to what Spain felt when their government spun the truth of the train bomb. It makes you want to get rid of the arrogant b*st*rds.

Never heard about any casualties....the media blackout is so evident. NPR is only giving about 10 seconds to the news about Iraq. A gag order is in place.

I have been looking and have not seen one yet. Thank goodness for Jen's tivo or I would think I misheard it! Thanks Jen :)

Thanks to both of them for their diligence. And as soon as that link emerges, I'm dying to see it too.

on edit: CENTCOM hasn't updated their casualty report since yesterday. They have the total at 14 dead, as of April 7 at 3:42 pm:

http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/Casualty_Report.asp?CasualtyReport=20040413.txt

saigon... that photo of the Marines is heartbreaking.

the more of our guys killed the more we are winning. Must be that Crawford logic but we sure are winning.

He's a fucker.

From the pentagon no less
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No. 254-04
IMMEDIATE RELEASE April 2, 2004



Capt E. Alan Brudno Added to Vietnam Veterans Memorial


The Department of Defense announced today that it has informed family members of U.S. Air Force Captain E. Alan Brudno that his name will be added to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. His name will be inscribed on the Memorial Wall and recognized during the Memorial Day ceremony at “The Wall.”

On Oct. 18, 1965, while flying a combat mission over North Vietnam, Brudno was forced to eject from his aircraft. He was held as a prisoner of war for seven and a half years during the war period. Brudno was repatriated in February 1973. He died of his wounds when he took his life, on June 3, 1973, less than four months later.

In a March 31 letter to the Department of the Interior, the Director for Administration and Management, Office of the Secretary of Defense, Raymond F. DuBois, conveyed the decision of the Defense Department to accept the recommendation of the Air Force to add Brudno’s name to the Memorial Wall. The Brudno case, while highly unusual because it involves the suicide of a repatriated Vietnam prisoner of war, falls squarely within the existing, longstanding defined criterion for Wall inclusion: "Died as a result of wounds sustained in the combat zone." For seven and a half years Brudno endured long-term, severe physical and psychological abuse and torture-related wounds inflicted by the enemy in the defined combat zone - and from the devastating effects of these wounds he succumbed within a short time after his release from captivity.



While this case stands on the particular merits flowing from its unique circumstances, the decision must not be misunderstood to include, broadly, cases involving more attenuated circumstances that may have led to post-war suicides, or those post-war deaths more distantly based on cases of war-related psychological trauma.

This is what the RETURNEES have to look forward to.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=2&u=/nm/20040408/ts_nm/iraq_deaths_dc

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In a statement, the military said five more soldiers had been killed in action on Wednesday and Thursday, and added that another soldier had died after being wounded in a bomb attack on April 4 in the northern city of Mosul.

The statement said two Marines had been killed in western Iraq, one on Wednesday and one on Thursday. Marines have been fighting heavy battles to try to pacify the cities of Falluja and Ramadi in western Iraq.

It said a U.S. soldier was killed in a rocket attack on a camp just north of Baghdad on Wednesday evening, and another was killed in a gun attack on a checkpoint in Samarra, also north of Baghdad, later that day.

On Thursday morning, a U.S. 1st Infantry Division soldier was killed by an attack involving a roadside bomb, a rocket-propelled grenade and small arms fire north of Baghdad, the statement said.