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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 12:32 PM
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'Jobless recovery' for women, not men
Source: Seattle Times (from McClatchy Newspapers)

By Tony Pugh
McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON — The early stages of the economic recovery have taken on a decidedly masculine tone.

Job gains by men fueled January's steep decline in the unemployment rate from 9.4 to 9 percent. In fact, men have gained 438,000 jobs while women have lost 366,000 since the Great Recession officially ended in July 2009, according to the Labor Department.

And the 984,000 new jobs created from January 2010 to January 2011? Fewer than 1 of every 20 — only 47,000 — went to women.

These numbers barely would have drawn a second look after past recessions, when women made up a much smaller share of the labor force. But women now account for nearly half of all U.S. workers, so the great disparity is all the more startling.

Read more: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2014295590_menjobs22.html
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 12:34 PM
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1. K&R
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 12:43 PM
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3. Thanks Solly
I hate to think what the numbers are for older women specifically since we've already seen numbers indicating it's worse for the older in general.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 04:06 PM
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12. My older sister's experience tells me the numbers are probably high
She met a lot of other women over the last almost 2 years...all older, all looking, very few finding.

My sister got a job a couple of weeks ago...had to move and it meant a pay cut.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 12:42 PM
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2. that would make sense, since the original job losses
affected more men than women. I believe the number was 7 in 10 of the job losses before the "recovery" were male.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/02/21/2078202/men-bounce-back-faster-from-recessions.html


"However, some observers say the one-sided jobs picture is more about economic justice than gender bias.

The Great Recession has been called the "mancession" because men absorbed 7 of 10 job losses during the downturn.

Male-dominated industries such as manufacturing, transportation and wholesale trade shed millions of jobs. Even in fields where men weren't a majority of workers, they still got hit harder, said Heather Boushey, senior economist at the Center for American Progress, a liberal research group.

So as these and other industries slowly rebound, Boushey said it's hardly a surprise that men have landed more than 95 percent of new jobs in the recovery, or "mancovery" as it's playing out.

"If I get hit harder than you do, it does make sense that my recovery should be more dramatic. That's just logical," Boushey said. "The way this recession played out, there was this gendered impact across a wide variety of industries, and I think that's what you're seeing coming back.""


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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 12:45 PM
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4. Did you continue reading to the section about service jobs?
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 12:54 PM
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6. if your argument is that there are specific areas were there is
gender bias, I will agree - there is always gender bias, however - I don't think you can make the argument that, overall, there is gender bias in the recovery, for the reasons stated in the article.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 01:14 PM
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7. Yes, there is always gender bias
And the article does note what you have focused on.

It also points out that women are being impacted more by the newest round of layoffs and may be impacted even more if the proposed cuts are made in Wisconsin, Iowa and Ohio: "During the past year, women lost 202,000 government jobs, or four of every five eliminated nationwide."

That doesn't look like a recovery at all for women, but a continued downturn.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 04:47 PM
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13. I've never seen so many
men working Retail. Retail was notoriously Pink Collar and a woman could find a job there. Now there are so many men. Look around the next time you go shopping.

And there is no such thing as Administrative Jobs anymore. Pink Collar jobs are gone. And if I see one more ad that says: "MUST BE ABLE TO LIFT 50 POUNDS," I'm going to :puke:

Here, let me put on my:tinfoilhat: and see if this isn't TPTB's plan all along. They have let women become 1/2 of the work force...now that the woman has gotten a mortgage and a kid, let's pull the rug out from under them. I don't know.

And those who are saddled w/ college loans....what do they do? We're a dying country. I read today that 1 out 4 counties in the US is declining.

It's been a bad day.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 12:50 PM
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5. Surprising since women make less. Or maybe hiring men is to ensure women make less.
Edited on Tue Feb-22-11 12:51 PM by onehandle
hmm...

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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 02:17 PM
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9. Good point
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 01:24 PM
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8. REALLY? I'm Sho... oh, never mind. n/t
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 03:28 PM
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10. First of all: there is no recovery. Second there is NO recovery. nt
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 09:21 PM
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14. Thanks.
I'm very, very tired of the "recovery is working" crap.
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 03:58 PM
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11. Weren't men the hardest hit by the recession?
Edited on Tue Feb-22-11 04:01 PM by WatsonT
Manufacturing and construction, two of the most male dominated fields out there, suffered some of the worst layoffs.

So . . . this makes sense. You don't get to be taken off the unemployment rolls if you were never unemployed.



After all the talk of a "mancession" (god do I hate that word) it seems fitting that we should have a "mancovery" (or whatever asinine term the media gives it).
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