Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Obama stays cautious on Libya as Americans await evacuation

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 07:13 PM
Original message
Obama stays cautious on Libya as Americans await evacuation
Source: McClatchy

WASHINGTON — With hundreds of U.S. citizens trapped for now in Libya, the Obama administration is responding cautiously to leader Moammar Gadhafi's brutal attempt to suppress a rebellion, fearing that the wrong move might bring retaliation against Americans, U.S. officials said Tuesday.
The fate of about 600 U.S. citizens, along with 35 non-essential Embassy staff, whom the State Department is trying to evacuate, puts President Barack Obama in an excruciating diplomatic bind.

Despite the regime's ongoing massacres that have killed hundreds of civilians, and executions of security personnel who refuse to take part in the atrocities, Obama hasn't called on Gadhafi to leave. That's a striking difference from his role in easing Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak from power after a much less bloody revolution earlier this month.
There was mounting pressure Tuesday on the Obama administration to take a tougher stand.

-snip-

The relatively small embassy staff is also helping some of the roughly 600 U.S. citizens in the country, many of whom work for energy companies, depart.
Concerns that U.S. citizens might get caught up in the chaos grew Tuesday when Gadhafi gave a defiant, rambling speech in which he appeared to blame the U.S. for the insurrection that's divided the country.
"We defy America," Gadhafi said at one point.

British Foreign Secretary William Hague said in a statement that British nationals in Libya "have encountered significant difficulties" trying to leave.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/02/22/109225/obama-stays-cautious-on-libya.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_term=news
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 07:15 PM
Response to Original message
1. Too many US business interests in Libya to take a strong stand.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. A hostage crisis with Americans over there would not be a good situation. That actually could be the
issue.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. Could be. We'll see. Hopefully, they will get the US citizens out soon and then
take a real stand.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 07:36 PM
Response to Original message
4. About 35 US embassy workers stuck. Around 600 civilians who mostly work for energy companies.
Damn, we shouldn't have lifted the sanctions against Gaddafi. Now, we have to walk a tight rope trying to rescue US oil workers before anything can happen.

This is why we shouldn't placate despots and thugs.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. State Dept just tweeted this: U.S. citizens wishing to leave Libya can transport via ferry....
U.S. citizens wishing to leave Libya can transport via ferry. Ferry will depart Tripoli from the As-shahab Port in central Tripoli.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. That's good that they don't have to rely on airspace.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 07:36 PM
Response to Original message
5. How long has the handwriting been on the wall?
At least since Tunisia fell.

Any American companies that are not evacuating workers and families from any of the ME countries that are in danger of falling are simply being irresponsible.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. Let's see. Profits or worker safety?
What's an energy (oil) company to do!?!?!?

Thank GOD & Dow Jones that the workers don't belong to a union and there's no pesky shop stewards pokin' their noses in and harming corporate profits!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 08:00 PM
Response to Original message
8. I question this
as the only reason for the tepid Obama response. I think the administration does not want to appear weak to the other pro-American rulers in the region who have grown more uneasy that Washington will abandon them when the going gets tough. I think our focus right now is with preventing democratic revolutions from toppling Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan, Iraq...

That "We defy America" quote from Gadhafi is a desperate plea to rally some support from the masses and deflect criticism from the opposition that he is a U.S. client.

My 2 cents fwiw.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 08:03 PM
Response to Original message
10. hundreds, perhaps thousands, of unarmed civilians have been murdered.
Not defending government institutions, but in intentional mass firings on people in large groups and at random, protesters and bystanders, even people in their homes. Fired on by paid foreign mercenaries, from unmarked cars driving around, from helicopters and from jets. Even bombed from jets.

Top air force personnel defected to Malta saying they were ordered to fire, from their jets, on civilian populations.

I feel bad for the 600 U.S. citizens. I also feel very bad for millions of Libyan citizens, who are being slaughtered in horrifying numbers.

I guess I would rather see Obama take strong action to stop a massacre, than to see him angle and negotiate with a madman.

But that's just me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. It's the ghost of Tehran.
The wrong lesson from misunderstood history.

'Today is the 382 day that the American Hostages have been held in Tehran".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 08:19 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. Okay, but this is a little different.
It's the madman dictator potentially holding the hostages, not the youth revolution.

The revolution is on the same side as we are: democracy and freedom from tyranny.

So it would seem like our best move is to exterminate the madman as quickly as possible

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 02:11 AM
Response to Original message
13. US to evacuate Americans from Libya by ferry
Source: AP

WASHINGTON (AP) — The State Department said late Tuesday it has chartered a ferry boat to evacuate Americans from Libya by sea amid increasingly violent unrest in the North African state as Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi vowed further crackdowns on opponents seeking his ouster.

In a notice sent to U.S. citizens in Libya, the department said Americans wishing to leave Libya should report to the As-shahab port in the capital of Tripoli with their passports starting at 9 a.m. local time on Wednesday. The ferry will depart for the Mediterranean island of Malta no later than 3 p.m. local time.

It said boarding the vessel would be on a first-come, first-served basis, with priority given to those with medical emergencies or severe medical conditions. Travelers will be allowed one suitcase and one small carry-on item, the notice said, adding that pets would be allowed on the ferry but that they must meet European Union requirements.

Those who want be evacuated should be prepared to wait several hours and bring food, water and other necessities to the pier, which is on the sea road across from the Radisson Blu Mahari Hotel in Tripoli.


Read more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jYC-fCZ4U5Lat2LtD8usQ18X1GOg?docId=ec0a5bbd23894829aa45501c28dcfe1f



Per CNN, there's no assurance the ferries will actually be able to sail into port.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 02:11 AM
Response to Reply #13
14. I hope that this is only the start of the evac.
I'm old enough to remember the Iranian hostage situation, and I don't want a repeat.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 02:11 AM
Response to Reply #13
15. With reports of mercenaries patrolling the streets, shooting anyone, who
is going to try to make it to the port? Doesn't sound like a good plan to me. I would hate to be there and have to consider trying to get out.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 02:11 AM
Response to Reply #15
16. Mercs are taking out the unarmed. Embassy personnel will have a Marine escort
Who do not want another Iran either.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 02:12 AM
Response to Original message
17. US to evacuate Americans from Libya by ferry
This thread has been combined with another thread.

Click here to read this message in its new location.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 04:28 AM
Response to Original message
18. Ferry carrying Americans can't leave Libya due to bad weather
Ferry carrying Americans can't leave Libya
Associated Press, 02.24.11, 04:09 AM EST

VALLETTA, Malta -- Americans trying to flee the chaos of Libya's uprising are stuck waiting aboard a ferry because of rough seas.

The 600-passenger ferry at Tripoli's As-shahab port, which has been chartered by the U.S. government, was supposed to leave for Malta on Wednesday.

But a spokesman for the American Embassy in Malta said Thursday that bad weather made that impossible. Strong winds have been whipping up high waves in the Mediterranean.

The spokesman said provisions are aboard the ferry for the passengers.

more:http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/02/24/general-libya-evacuations_8323608.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 01st 2024, 07:08 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC