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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 09:49 AM
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Report: Ex-Minister Says Gadhafi Ordered Lockerbie
Edited on Wed Feb-23-11 09:53 AM by cal04
Source: Associated Press

Swedish tabloid Expressen says Libya's recently resigned justice minister claims Moammar Gadhafi personally ordered the Lockerbie bombing that killed 270 people in 1988.

Expressen quotes Mustafa Abdel-Jalil as telling their correspondent in Libya that "I have proof that Gadhafi gave the order about Lockerbie." The comments were translated from Arabic to Swedish.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/02/23/world/europe/AP-EU-Sweden-Libya-Lockerbie.html?hp



http://channel6newsonline.com/2011/02/libyan-justice-minister-al-jleil-says-gaddafi-ordered-lockerbie-bombing/
Libyan Justice Minister Al-Jleil says Gaddafi ordered Lockerbie bombing
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 09:53 AM
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1. Well, there is a reason for him to be taken out .
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 10:25 AM
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6. Would that same reasoning apply to Ronald Reagan then?
Reagan killed Khadafy's infant daughter
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x485452

I abhor violence, but I also recognize that people respond to violence with more violence.
Reagan was threatening to kill him and his entire family. Maybe this changed Reagan's mind?
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Rebubula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 10:47 AM
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9. If...
...that was Reagan's intent - then yes.

When one draws 1st blood - the resulting blood in on their hands. Period. If Qudaffi ordered the bombing - whatever came back his way is HIS responsibility.

Also, one could rightly suggest that Reagan was already in the tight grips of Alzheimer's.
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Very_Boring_Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 01:44 PM
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14. Sure. The Libyans can take out Ronald Reagan, while we take out Gaddafi
Good idea.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 10:04 AM
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2. My response copied from another post on this subject...
I want to see the proof.

This could be another Curveball operation. IOWs - the minister may be trying to get the the U.S. and others to spend blood and treasure in his home country hoping it will better his position politically.


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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 10:08 AM
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3. Worth considering.
Chalabi and Curveball got us into war with Iraq because they hated Saddam so much.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 10:26 AM
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7. no, they were just handy tools - idiot son and company got us into war -
they had a hard on for it from day 1.
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BlueDemKev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 10:12 AM
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4. How do we know it's true?
This ex-minister could just be trying to get even with his former boss. I have no doubt that Gadhafi probably was gratified when Pan Am Flight 103 was blown up (after all, his 3-year-old daughter was killed in the 1986 U.S. attack on Libya), there's no way of knowing with certainty whether he personally ordered that horrific crime.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 10:21 AM
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5. alternative theories abound
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 10:26 AM
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8. Report: Saddam had WMDs
Let's invade Libya before someone finds out it is a LIE??
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 10:56 AM
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10. "i have proof". well, then, let's see it.
presonally, i find it rather implausible that any such "proof" exists. it would not surprise me if he were personally involved, but it's just not the sort of thing one knowingly leaves a paper trail of. no executive decree with his signature, i'm sure.

conceivably there's a tape recording, but at best that's likely to be an after-the-fact boast, which may or may not be truthful.
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 11:57 AM
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11. Updated with a comment from a parent whose son was killed in the bombing
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j6qtJSctAwrwo_nuDJ3lv2m-Eumw?docId=cf63ca33ee80414ca381da8fddbf2b6b

(snip)
Bob Monetti, of Cherry Hill, New Jersey, whose 20-year-old son Richard was killed in the bombing, said he's glad to hear a former official say what's been clear to him all along. He said officials and the media, especially in the U.K., have been denying that.

"Ever since the trial, which was held in a totally obscure location in Holland and was covered by nobody, there's been a drumbeat in the UK about how this is a trumped up thing and Libya had nothing to do with it," he said. "If you went to the trial, there was no question about who did it and why, and who ordered it."

Monetti said he's been following coverage of the Libyan uprising closely.
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nalnn Donating Member (528 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 01:09 PM
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12. I find
I find myself leaning toward believing the article in the tabloid. Given events in Libya as of late coupled with the televised speeches by the colonel and his son, it seems completely in character for them to do things like ordering the deaths of hundreds of foreigners.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 01:16 PM
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13. This sounds a lot like "weapons of mass destruction" during the Iraq buildup.
Has he been lying all these years, or is he lying now?
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 06:25 PM
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15. Libya's Gaddafi DID personally order Lockerbie bombing and I have PROOF, claims former Justice minis
Source: The Daily Mail

Libya's Gaddafi DID personally order Lockerbie bombing and I have PROOF, claims former Justice minister

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 8:04 PM on 23rd February 2011

Libya's former justice minister claims Colonel Gaddafi personally ordered the Lockerbie bombing which killed 270 people in 1988.

Swedish tabloid Expressen says Mustafa Abdel-Jalil, who has just resigned from his cabinet post in protest at the violent crackdown against anti-government demonstrations, told their correspondent in Libya: 'I have proof that Gaddafi gave the order about Lockerbie.'

He told Expressen Gaddafi gave the order to Abdel Baset al-Megrahi, the only man convicted in the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, which killed all 259 people on board and 11 on the ground.




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1359910/Libyas-Gaddafi-DID-personally-order-Lockerbie-bombing-claims-Justice-minister.html
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 06:25 PM
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16. Great, so he should be able to provide the names of the others involved
It took more than an executive order and one terrorist to accomplish that horrifying event.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 06:25 PM
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17. what a day...kp
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 06:25 PM
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18. Yeah, and Sadam had WMDs.
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Blue State Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 06:25 PM
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20. And Anna Nicole married for love!
:sarcasm:
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 06:25 PM
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23. The Gaddafi apologists come out.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 06:25 PM
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19. Remember when Gaddafi became the poster boy for reform for the Bushistas.
Absolved of all guilt for "former terrorism."

Now he's less of a poster boy and more a candidate for a wanted poster. ;-)
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 06:25 PM
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21. Didn't he already admit that and pay millions in damages? n/t
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 06:25 PM
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24. No.
Libya paid compensation on the condition UN and US trade sanctions would be lifted. After they were lifted Libya denied responsibility for the bombing and Gaddafi has never taken any responsibility.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 06:25 PM
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22. Duplicate LBN - posted earlier today
Edited on Wed Feb-23-11 05:42 PM by dipsydoodle
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mrarundale Donating Member (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 06:30 PM
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25. MQ's Son publicly questioned the Lockerbie story
I remember reading awhile ago. It's interesting that both MQ and Mubarek had son's who probably would have taken over and they were both relatively secular and not big fans of the CIA, etc....Both Mubarek and MQ's are in their 80's I think....hmmmmmm.
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 10:34 PM
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26. "I'm suddenly desperate for money and attention from you guys, and I'm willing to say anything!"
"it worked so well for Chalabi and Karzai, so I figured you chumps were gullible enough to believe anything you want to hear!"
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 01:57 AM
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27. Remember Curveball. n/t
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 04:54 AM
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28. Edwin P Wilson
... One cell trained by Wilson's operatives was the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command (PFLF-GC) under the command of a former Syrian Army Officer, Ahmad Jibril.<citation needed> Jibril was suspected of being behind the bombing of Pan Am 103 in Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988 ... The most dramatic deal, and the one that brought Wilson to the attention from the U.S. government, was for some twenty tons of military grade C-4 plastic explosives ... They were flown to Libya aboard a chartered jet ... He was found guilty of exporting guns, including the one used in the Bonn assassination, and of shipping the explosives and sentenced to 15 years in prison for the former and 17 years for the latter ... Wilson's defence to the Libyan charges was that he was working at the behest of the CIA. The CIA gave the DOJ an affidavit stating that after his retirement he had not been employed directly or indirectly by the agency ... His lawyer was David Adler, a former CIA officer who had clearance to view classified documents. Adler spent long hours poring through thousands of files and eventually found eighty incidents where Wilson met on a professional basis with the CIA and proof that the CIA had indirectly used Wilson after his retirement. A federal judge ruled that the prosecution had acted improperly ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_P._Wilson

A link, to a pdf of the 2003 judge's order vacating Wilson's 1983 conviction, can be found at the Wikileaks article above; it is worth reading. It seems to me possible that the CIA sold Libyans the explosives used to bring down the Lockerbie flight
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