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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 09:22 AM
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French far right champion tops opinion poll (for President)
Source: AFP

AFP - A shock poll showed far-right champion Marine Le Pen leading the race for the French presidency on Sunday, as incumbent Nicolas Sarkozy faced claims he is fuelling anti-Muslim sentiment.

An opinion poll conducted by Harris Interactive for Le Parisien newspaper put the National Front leader Le Pen's likely support in next year's vote at 23 percent, against 21 percent for the centre-right's Sarkozy.

The survey itself must be taken with a pinch of salt. It was conducted online, a method sometimes seen as less accurate than telephone polling, and it presumed that Socialist leader Martine Aubry would be in the race.

International Monetary Fund director Dominique Strauss-Kahn has signalled he is preparing to declare himself as a candidate for the Socialist Party's nomination -- and other polls have shown him favourite if he does.

Read more: http://www.france24.com/en/20110306-french-far-right-champion-tops-opinion-poll
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 10:40 AM
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1. Not surprising. Anti-Muslim immigrant sentiment boiling over.
I would like to see a meeting halfway: Respect for both histories, and a coming together based on that. I don't see it happening, though.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 01:38 PM
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 11:05 AM
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2. online poll eh ?
dunno how much id put into that..
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 05:27 PM
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11. Depends on whether it was just a web poll or something more like Zogby online.
Online polls can have value when they're properly secured and have real samples.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 11:29 AM
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3. LePen is truly scary.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 12:40 PM
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14. This is Madame Le Pew, his daughter.
Even scarier, in a way: fascism with a human face. :scared:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 04:43 PM
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15. i missed that it was the petite pen. thanks.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 01:34 PM
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4. 'Politics'
'The government has passed a law banning the full-face Islamic veil -- worn by only a tiny handful of France's five to six million Muslims -- from public places. The ban is due to come into effect next month.

Sarkozy last month declared that "multiculturalism is dead" and said he wanted to see a "French Islam and not an Islam in France", while his party has called for a national debate on religious practice in a secular state.

Meanwhile, the president last week reached out to his conservative base, hailing France's "Christian heritage" in a speech in a Catholic pilgrim town.

The left, and many Muslim groups, sense a cynical plot. They accuse Sarkozy of stirring up disputes that can only increase tensions in French cities, all in the service of 2012 presidential electoral mathematics.

"It's doubtless a plan by Nicolas Sarkozy to boost the National Front in order to find himself in a head-to-head with them in the second round, and disqualify the left," said Socialist parliamentary leader Jean-Marc Ayrault.'

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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 02:01 PM
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6. A 'Shock' poll, 'Marine le Pen' ?? Really bad writing, editing or
translating going on here:

It's "Jean Marie Le Pen" (head of the "National Front" party, extreme right wing party).

It's a 'shocking' poll. Not sure what a 'shock' poll would be, unless it was something like a 'shock jock.'
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 02:33 PM
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8. Nope. Jean Marie retired recently. His daughter Marine is now leader
Edited on Sun Mar-06-11 02:35 PM by Ghost Dog
of the Front National: http://www.frontnational.com/

Edit: You're right, though: 'shocking' poll would be more correct. Maybe they used the term 'shock' poll in order to try to sound more 'americanized' than 'anglicised'?
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 03:02 PM
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9. Ouch. I stand humbly corrected. I had no idea and just thought it
was some sort of Franglish going on. Who'd have thought that a reprehensible reptile like Jean Marie would name his daughter such a lovely name, even though she's no doubt as reprehensible as he was and is.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 04:02 PM
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10. She's supposed to have an apparently 'softer' touch.
Ie. potentially even more dangerous (and electoraly succesful).
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 02:09 PM
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7. Someone should revive the French Underground. And I don't mean a message board.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 01:33 AM
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12. Meaningless result...
Remember, French presidential elections use a run-off system. Being able to draw 23% for a far-right agenda only means 77% of respondents don't support LePen. Would you consider a poll showing that 23% of Americans would vote for Sarah Palin in 2012 evidence that she's destined to be our 45th President? What's scandalous about this poll result is not the 23% for LePen, but that Sarkozy can't even get that much.

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 05:58 PM
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17. Sarkozy is immensely impopular, so I am not surprised he is not reaching this level.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 06:12 AM
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13. Sarkozy wants the National Front to knock the Socialists into third place and out of the runoff.
He figures that if he faces the far-right in the second round he will win, while if he faces the Socialists he will be in more trouble. His campaigns to stoke fear of immigrants and promote the message that multiculturalism is dead are designed to bolster the National Front and knock the Socialists out in the first round.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2011/03/20113713536262847.html

"Sarkozy last month declared that "multiculturalism is dead" and said he wanted to see a "French Islam and not an Islam in France", while his party has called for a national debate on religious practice in a secular state. The left, and many Muslim groups, sense a cynical plot. They accuse Sarkozy of stirring up disputes that can only increase tensions in French cities, all in the service of 2012 presidential electoral mathematics.

"It's doubtless a plan by Nicolas Sarkozy to boost the National Front in order to find himself in a head-to-head with them in the second round, and disqualify the left," Socialist parliamentary leader Jean-Marc Ayrault, told AFP news agency.

(T)he left is training its fire not on Le Pen, but on Sarkozy - accusing him of stirring dangerous anti-Muslim opinion.

The National Front has always been an anti-immigration party, but under Marie Le Pen, it has attempted to shed its racist image and concentrate the debate on the place of Islam in French society, picking up votes as it has done so."


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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 05:55 PM
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16. Internet poll and the Socialist candidate is not the one who will run.
Edited on Mon Mar-07-11 05:56 PM by Mass
As AFP says "to take with a pinch of salt".
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 06:28 PM
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18. This is bothersome, but it's not entirely meaningful.
The plurality candidate does not necessarily win in French elections. Le Pen would undoubtedly lose a two-way contest against either Sarkozy or a Socialist presidential candidate.
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