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JanDutchy Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 05:52 PM
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White House: Premature to arm Libyan rebels
Source: NOW NEWS

The United States said Monday it was considering the option of arming the Libyan opposition but said it would be premature to do so now, amid rising pressure on the White House over the crisis.

White House spokesperson Jay Carney said that US officials were seeking to learn as much as they could about Libyan opposition groups, but that offering weapons to opponents of Moammar Qaddafi was only one option on the table.

"On the issue of ... arming, providing weapons, it is one of the range of options that is being considered," White House spokesperson Jay Carney told reporters.

"We are pursuing a number of channels to have conversations and discussions with the opposition, groups and individuals, as we try to learn more about what they are pursuing, what they want



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And remember: the resolution of UN isn't totally worked out

Rory Stewart,UK Member of Parliament and former governer in Iraq placed this article on his website

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rory_Stewart



Nine non-violent options for action in Libya
Sunday, 06 March 2011 09:31


Nine non-violent options for international action in Libya by my friend Carne Ross:

1. Establishment of an escrow account for Libyan oil revenues: this would require further UNSC chapter VII authorisation. At present, it appears that all oil revenues, including from oil produced from rebel-held areas, flows to the Libyan government. All payments should instead be paid into a UN-run escrow account, the proceeds of which would be released as soon as a representative government is established in Libya. While the account is in operation, proceeds might in the interim be used for humanitarian purposes in rebel-held areas or to aid refugees. This would be a short-term measure to exert maximum pressure on the regime. My suspicion is that govts are not discussing this for fear of the effect on oil prices (this is uppermost in US debate in particular). To deal with this problem, Saudi Arabia should be asked to make very public commitments to increase its daily production to cover any shortfall of Libyan production.


2. Listing all Libyan personnel involved in repression for sanction under SCR 1970. Paras 22-23 of this resolution encourage states to nominate individuals to whom the asset freeze and travel ban would apply. At the moment, the list is very short and comprises only prominent regime members. The UN or Security Council members should make public this encouragement to Libyans on the ground to nominate members of the security forces. Why not publish an email address for such nominations or set up a wiki for Libyans to compile evidence? I realise the potential downsides of this, but the point would primarily be to act as a deterrent. There is also nothing to stop individual states declaring that those named under paras 22-23 will be subject to these measures in perpetuity. For a start, why not nominate all Libyan diplomats who have not defected for these sanctions? Why not take the names of all senior Libyan army officers and stick them on the list too?


3. Seek public declarations from all commercial companies that they will not do business with the Gadhaffi regime. The admirable folks in the Genocide Intervention Network have already begun campaigning for this and have secured several such commitments. I see no reason why governments, such as the US and UK, should not demand such commitments of companies based in their respective countries. Naming and shaming has considerable effect on the recalcitrant.


4. Immediately position monitoring units on all borders and a naval blockade to ensure that the military embargo under UNSCR 1970 is enforced, and that regime members under ICC investigation or subject to paras 22-23 of UNSCR 1970 do not escape. This could be implemented now, and does not in my view require further Security Council authority.


5. An air blockade to the same effect might also be considered. This should of course exclude all evacuation and humanitarian flights, but the aim is to increase the isolation of the regime. Flights should by contrast be permitted to rebel-held areas. Such measures were imposed on Gadhaffi under the earlier sanctions regime over Lockerbie. He didn't like it.


6. Electronic jamming of all regime communications; interference with internet communications, stuxnet-like attacks on regime IT infrastructure. I hope that US etc are already trying to do this. If not, they should be.


7. Provide immediate and substantial humanitarian assistance in rebel-held areas.


8. Set up publicly accessible websites using satellite and other reconnaissance data to inform anti-Gadhaffi forces of the disposition of regime military and irregular units. Or, get the data to them more covertly using encrypted satphones etc.. (thanks @racionalisimo for that one)


9. Consider making the Libyan currency non-convertible (thanks to @stream47 for this idea). I'm no expert on this so list this for consideration only. Another idea is to impose Swift banking sanctions to freeze all financial transactions beyond the assets freeze imposed in SCR1970. The problem with assets freezes is that it's too easy these days for individuals/regimes to hide money. Tracking these monies is a major forensic effort, and can take time.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 06:42 PM
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1. How about, 'our foreign entanglements are unsustainable'?
Oh sorry. That only applies to US social programs. Building schools in Iraq is victory or something. Helping poor Americans heat their homes is unsustainable.
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JanDutchy Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 06:55 PM
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3. USA will get AID for Health Care : learn from EU-countries
In Europe we have a very good experience with our Helth Care System, which is based on solidarity.

When I see reports on the situation in the USA, is worse as in 3rd World Countries, because it lackes solidarity.

US isn't any more the world player no 1.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 06:54 PM
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2. The US has been playing this very cautiously.
In some ways it's a complete change from foreign policy in the past.
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timo Donating Member (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 07:07 PM
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4. hell no,
no guns for libya, we dont even know who the hell they are, no background checks and what happens later down the line when we find out the same guns are used against our own people in and about the area....shit on that noise!!
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JanDutchy Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 07:18 PM
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6. And what policy you have in the US on privat arms?
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timo Donating Member (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 11:58 PM
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7. background checks
and if I want fully automatic weapons I have to pay a 200 dollar transfer stamp, and submit to even further background checks..also we cannot own silencers for guns without paying 200 dollar transfer stamps and having extensive background checks!!
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 07:11 PM
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5. Barack Obama raises pressure on Gaddafi as no-fly zone gains support
Barack Obama has stepped up pressure on Colonel Gaddafi, saying the US and Nato allies were considering a military response to violence in Libya, with the list of options including arming the rebels.

Obama's remarks came as Britain and France made progress in drafting a resolution at the UN calling for a no-fly zone triggered by specific conditions, rather than timelines. Downing Street is hopeful that a resolution with clear triggers such as the bombing of civilians would not be subject to a Russian veto at the security council.

The foreign secretary, William Hague, told the Commons a no-fly zone would have to be supported by north African countries and rebel leaders and would also need an appropriate legal basis.

He said he was looking at ways of restricting the money going to the Libyan regime from oil revenues, with one option being money going into an escrow account for the use of the Libyan people.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/07/obama-raises-pressure-on-gaddafi

Well Russia, China and others, must be hoping that the Empire takes on more Empire building.
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