US warplane crashes in Libya - report

Source: Reuters

A US warplane has crashed in a Libyan field after an apparent mechanical failure and its pilot has been rescued by rebels, Britain's Daily Telegraph newspaper reported on its website.

The plane is an F-15E Eagle, the Telegraph added in a report from a correspondent on the ground in Libya. US officials were not immediately available for comment.

Read more: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/4793634/US-warplane-crashes-in-Libya-report

Oh Fuck !

US warplane crash lands in Libya.

A US warplane has crash landed in Libya, a US military spokesman says.

The spokesman, Kenneth Fidler, told the BBC there was no indication that the F-15 Eagle was brought down by hostile fire.

He said one crew member had been recovered safely. An operation is under way to recovered another.

It is not clear where the plane went down. The development follows a third night of allied air strikes against Col Gaddafi's forces.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12816226

Otherwise something is not right.

I don't think so.

They committed atrocities covered up Abu Grhaib. They covered up torture at Gitmo. They lied about the murder of a former NFL star, to his mom, and to this country. They hid evidence of military war crimes in Baghdad, where troops went nuts and shot unarmed family members. They hid video of a chopper attack killing innocents, simply trying to escape. They used illegal propaganda programs, costing hundreds of millions, directly against the US population. They targeted senators and congressmen who wavered over the wars, and lied to their faces to make it seem as though things were just rosy in Iraq and Afghanistan. They lied to us about the murder squad.


Seriously, can we believe ANYTHING that this military tells us anymore?

And if so, what changed? The commander in chief? HE USES THE SAME DAMNED POLICIES AS HIS PREDECESSOR.

have a point.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8397953/US-jet-crashes-in-Libya-airman-would-not-have-known-if-he-approached-friend-or-foe.html


US jet crashes in Libya: airman would not have known if he approached friend or foe
The US airman would not have known whether the armed men advancing towards him were friendly rebels or soldiers loyal to Colonel Gaddafi.

By Rob Crilly, Gult Sultan 12:07PM GMT 22 Mar 2011


Behind him his F15 Strike Eagle was a burning wreck. He had parachuted into a field of sheep somewhere near Benghazi airbase and needed to escape - his fellow crew member had landed in a another field nearby.

Raising his hands in the air he called out "OK, OK" to greet the crowd. But he need not have worried.

"I hugged him and said don't be scared we are your friends," said Younis Amruni, 27.

Well, guess what... They still don't know that, no matter who rescued them.

He's an al-CIAda terrariss for sure... :sarcasm:

So much for letting the Brits and French do the work in this Air War.

The pilots are lucky they landed in "friendly" territory or Moe would have a news coup going on right now.

'Captured pilots from invading force' paraded through the streets....and all that.

Source: Huffington Post

LONDON -- A U.S. military jet crashed in Libya after an equipment malfunction but its two crewmembers ejected and are safe, the U.S. military said Tuesday.

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Vince Crawley, a spokesman for the Africa Command, says both sustained minor injuries and were separated because they used parachutes to eject from the F-15E Strike Eagle jet at high altitudes, ending up in different areas.

The crash occurred Monday night at 2130 GMT (5:30 p.m. EST). Its exact location was not given.

One crew member has been recovered and an operation is currently under way to recover the other one - "but we know he's safe," said Ken Fidler, another spokesman for Africa Command.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/22/libya-war-us-military-plane-crashes_n_838865.html

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I earlier hypothesized that this is exactly how the US would justify a ground based incursion. The US may be able to rescue these two quickly, but what if a plane is shot down or crashes and the crew is captured?

As distinct from the "civil" Libya War waged by the armed, militant insurgents.

"A rescue helicopter swooped low to collect the second crew member - and strafed the ground to keep the locals at bay."

Great..what would have happened if some of those "locals" got hit by that strafing???

Neither the pilot nor the helicopter knew the bad guys from the good guys. That has to backfire sooner or later,
wouldn't ya think?

A beggar walked up to a rich farmer's house and asked to use his fire and a soup pan. The farmer said, we are poor, and have nothing to share. Go away.

The beggar responded, "No worries. You can share in my soup."

He filled the soup pan with water, and carefully removed a rack from a cloth sack. He dropped it carefully into the water. He stirred it repeatedly tasting the water again and again.

The farmer scoffed. "Stone Soup? Bah."

Well, you know the rest of the story. Our efforts in Libya are exactly like stone soup. Mission creep is what is already happening.

There it is. War #4 without support of the people, without debate, without an act of congress. Great. just great.

Corporations really are people, you know.

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

or if both happened?

I thought that was up to France? :shrug:

1) Giving Intel to all allies
2) AWACS control over the region
3) Cruise missile attack, with 110 $800,000 - 1.2 Mill wad shots from our arsenal
4) FIGHTER MISSIONS
5) BOOTS ON THE GROUND TO RESCUE THE FAILED FIGHTER MISSIONS.

all of this without the input or agreement of this country or congress.

doesn't want to give that nobel peace prize.
What were the credentials for his selection as nominee?

And do our dear DUers know what it actually takes to keep those jets in the air? It's mind boggling, really. According to a tanker pilot who flew refueling missions during our no-fly zone over Bosnia and Kosovo:

"A fourship (i.e., four jets) of F-15 Eagles, as part of a no-fly zone requires a minimum, yes a MINIMUM, of 18 KC-135 sorties (missions). It requires 18 tanker plane sorties to keep those four Eagles manned for 24 hours. It's a no-fly zone SO THEY NEVER COME DOWN. They're constantly up in the air. The KC-135 tankers take off with 180,000 pounds of jet fuel; this translates into 3.2 million pounds of gas to keep four F-15's airborne, and that's just one cap station.

"Gadaffi has several bases we will need to watch, so multiply the 3.2 million pounds by the number of cap stations that you have to keep manned. These tankers will need to be put at locations which can support these 3.2 million pounds a day fuel. There are not many places which can support this kind of operational tempo in Europe.

"And the problem with this math is that all bets are off if the Eagles actually commit on a Libyan fighter plane and shoot it down. The first thing the Eagle pilots will do before they engage is configure the jet for combat. They want the maximum maneuverability an Eagle jet will give them, which means the external fuel tanks will come off. They'll just drop them. They'll probably keep the two wing tanks but would lose the ability to carry 4,000 pounds of gas, compounding the fuel problem. So just to give you an idea: The F-15 burns 8,000 pounds of gas an hour flying in this station in the no-fly zone routine.

"It burns 2,000 pounds a minute maneuvering, which it is engaging or fighting a Libyan Mig because the fighter pilot is using the afterburner. You can see while all bets are off when they engage. Our rule of thumb is that it's going to take 22 to 24 tanker sorties if the Eagles are active or engaging the Migs (i.e., people dying in the bad guy jets). So now you understand why sustainment of a large-scale tanker operation requires bedding down tankers at airfields which are prepared for large-scale air refueling operations. Just the amount of fuel, the amount of flights that the tankers are gonna have make in order keep just four F-15s in the air. And if those four F-15s engage in combat, then the numbers expand and even more fuel is used because the afterburner is turned on. Remember, this is just four."

I mean I knew it was a lie, but to have such quick confirmation, wow!

sadly

From the blogs on the LBN page:

Shades Of Afghanistan: US Shoots Libyan Rescuers Of Downed Pilot

http://www.newshoggers.com/blog/2011/03/shades-of-afghanistan-us-shoots-libyan-rescuers-of-downed-pilot.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Newshog+%28NewsHog%29

Those weren't chopper bullets. they were shooting stars. They were just unlucky. Wrong place, wrong time.

Or had it? Same thing, different names. For half century now, I guess.