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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 03:56 AM
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8/6/2001 Brief Raises Credibility Questions
Brief Raises Credibility Questions
Rice may be challenged on her characterization of the classified memo as 'historical' rather than a warning of terrorists plotting against the U.S.

By Ronald Brownstein, Times Staff Writer


~snip~
But with the release Saturday night of a classified warning delivered to President Bush at his Texas ranch one month before the attacks, questions of credibility may become a growing challenge for Rice — and the president she serves.

The virtually unprecedented publication of the classified Aug. 6, 2001, presidential daily briefing is bound to stir intense debate in the coming days over whether Rice was misleading commissioners in her testimony last week when she described the report as a "historical memo" and "not a warning."

Much of the page-and-a-half document focuses on information about Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda developed from 1997 through 1999. But it also reported that "FBI information … indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks."

~snip~
But Democratic commissioners at last week's hearings questioned whether Rice and Bush had done enough to convey a sense of urgency to the intelligence and law enforcement bureaucracy before the attacks. On Saturday, Ben-Veniste told Associated Press that the commission should further explore Bush's reaction to the memo.

As such questions emerge, some Democrats believe, the memo may help them challenge the Bush reelection campaign's effort to portray the president as a decisive wartime leader. "On Aug. 6, he is handed a briefing that says, 'FBI picks up activity consistent with a hijacking,' " Carville said. "The thing is titled, 'Bin Laden Determined To Strike Within the United States.' He continues the longest presidential vacation in history."
~snip~
more: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/iraq/la-na-assess11apr11,1,2494160.story?coll=la-home-headlines
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 04:06 AM
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1. The article says the brief supports Rice on location
And then fails to mention the line about surveillance of federal buildings in NEW YORK CITY.

I dunno. I thought NEW YORK CITY qualified as a location.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 04:13 AM
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2. I suppose Condi will now argue that NYC isn't specific enough.
Apparently the Bush Administration required a map.

Funny; they had no problem "putting two and two together" when it came to Iraq's alleged threat.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 08:14 AM
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16. That's a point worth emphasizing.
When it served their agenda, they took vague, disreputable, and falsified 'intelligence' regarding WMD and invaded a sovereign nation, killing many thousands of innocents and increasing the enmity toward the US immeasurably. Then again, when it served their agenda, they ignored focused, reliable, and accurate intelligence regarding 9-11 and actually reduced defenses, resulting in the deaths of thousands.

The Busholinis have a habit of interpreting 'intelligence' in a manner that serves their narrow, private agenda.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 09:14 AM
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22. with respects
Edited on Sun Apr-11-04 09:23 AM by fishnfla
it said New York, it said "federal buildings in New York".(Not New York CITY) One can easily surmise NYC, of course

In the interest of being accurate, is all.

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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 04:16 AM
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3. The memo didn't give the name of every hijacker and the exact date
Without knowing the exact date, time, and flight numbers, what else could Bush have done but go on vacation?
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 04:43 AM
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4. and
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 05:04 AM
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5. Thanks, Florida_Geek. . .
that image put quite a smile on my tired face. I'll go to bed chuckling now.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 06:49 AM
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8. Sums up her defense perfectly
:thumbsup:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 08:17 AM
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18. At this point, I'm not convinced they didn't have SPECIFIC intelligence.
When I saw all the information they disclosed to the public within 48 hours of 9-11, I'm convinced that information was already in their possession. There's absolutely no way in Hell they gathered that information afterwrds. They had it. They knew it.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 05:35 AM
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6. I think it goes back to Clinton.
Since so much of this information came when he was President they did not count it as important. It does show that Clinton had pushed or his FBI were in the loop looking in to all this. I thought Larden had said something about the WTC because of the first bomb or was it he did return to places ? Looks like it was put on the back burner by Bush and Rice.Nice it came out over the week-end while Bush is on vacation. That rubs the salt in a little more. Another long vacation for this lazy pres. who finds running more important than his country.
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cornfedyank Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 08:17 AM
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19. herky jerky foreign policy
this country's foreign policy reminds me of a teen learning to drive a stick shift. when the admin changes they are too proud to keep a previous course because they are egotistical jerks. how can the world not wonder about us?? foreign policy should be one thing that is apolitical and should take hundred year outlooks.
wage peace---It's cheaper in the long run.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 05:51 AM
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7. The question to ask..
What is in the PDB's THIS month that Whistless is ignoring?

By the way, did you see this stirring defense of our "decisive leader?"

"Republican commissioner James R. Thompson, a former Illinois governor, said the memo "didn't call for anything to be done" by Bush. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040411/ap_on_go_pr_wh/sept_11_bush_memo&cid=544&ncid=716

And so he continued sitting with his thumb up his ass on the longest vacation in presidential history...then raced back for a long Labor Day weekend at Camp David to rest up for a photo-op in Florida...
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 08:16 AM
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17. But Bush did do something. He reduced the request for funding of
anti-terrorism activities.
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justgamma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 09:45 AM
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25. Do these people need
somebody to tell them to do something? Don't you think the people running around "like their hair on fire" weren't yelling "do something!" Operation Ignor.
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koopie57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 09:47 AM
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26. the arguement by Thompson
makes me so irate I could pull my hair out.

Bush is the leader, therefore one would assume the he would take the initiative to do someting. If a fireman sees a fire, but doesn't hear a siren, he doesn't do something cuz no one told him to? And the other thing that just torks me off is that we have leadership in this country who are so lazy they receive information and unless it is all laid out before them, they won't look into it, ask questions, try to connect the dots. Either they are very stupid or lazy and no path makes me feel safe. And lastly, how can anyone put their reputation on the line to make excuses for these blithering dolts.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 06:53 AM
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9. I dunno.. seemed to answer a lot more questions than it raised (n/t)
(n/t)
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 07:03 AM
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10. downplay by a reporter on the news last night
in an attempt to downplay the importance of August 6 PDB
the reporter said (paraphrased) "...the August 6 PDB was one of many in a dirth of information..."

there was no follow-up on this by the anchor...

ok assume for a moment that the PDB was one of many in a dirth of information -- does this mean the PDB is an unimportant and minor little piece of paper? The bush*-butt-kissers are saying that the PDB was just a page and half and therefore not important...

ummmmm.... given that the PDB was one of MANY IN A DIRTH OF INFORMATION -- doesn't that mean that there are other documents stating the same thing?

How many people have to go around with their hair on fire yelling "TERRORISTS ARE COMING", how many pieces of information, memos, and other briefings have to occur before it's considered important?

Perhaps if the PDB contained pictures for bush* to color he would have paid more attention
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 07:22 AM
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11. "Dirth" of information?
Did he mean "Dearth"? That means a "lack" of information.

How can something be part of nothing?

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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 07:41 AM
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12. that's what he called it
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 09:07 AM
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21. "Dearth" is easier to pronounce than "plethora," I guess
Besides, when referring to boosh*, you gotta stay away from them lefty pinko communistic heathen three-syllable words.

He's iggernunt, and he likes it that way!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 08:21 AM
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20. So, that reporter has access to and reviewed other PDBs??
Color me dubious. That kind of observation is pure invention: a fraud.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 08:04 AM
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13. "It doesn't give any specifics."
"Na na nana na, you can't get me! No specifics! Let's go golfing!" The attitude of a small child perhaps.

When the safety of millions depends on your actions or inactions in the face of a well-documented threat, it is your fucking job to turn every stone until you do have the specifics.
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 08:10 AM
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14. was the PDB really 11 pages?
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 08:11 AM
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15. Don't know.
Waiting to find out.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 10:29 AM
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27. no, it was one and a quarter pages long
dumbed down for Dubya.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 09:27 AM
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23. Seemed specific enough to justify tighter security at airports
and perhaps some other extras...like better cockpit doors.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 09:43 AM
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24. And Ashcroft stopped flying commercial flights.
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