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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:20 AM
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Terry Nichols' Attorneys Seek Dismissal of State Murder Charges
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAJESYUZSD.html

<snip>Judge Steven Taylor, who is presiding over Nichols' murder trial, said Monday he will take testimony from state and defense witnesses before ruling on the issue.

"This is absolutely something I am going to have to give very serious consideration to," Taylor said. "If I grant this motion, the case is over." snip

"Not only have the federal government and state prosecutors failed to turn over exculpatory evidence, but they have consistently represented that none exists," the defense motion filed Monday says.

The motion claims prosecutors have withheld a video showing suspects leaving the Ryder rental truck that delivered the bomb just over three minutes before the detonation. No such video has been shown to exist.

It also claims prosecutors failed to disclose a phone call McVeigh made to a right-wing enclave in Oklahoma known as Elohim City after he rented the Ryder truck. Allegations have surfaced over the years that McVeigh might have received help from people living there.

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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:27 AM
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1. Another MIHOP
Edited on Tue Apr-13-04 08:28 AM by liberalnproud
long forgotten.

on edit

It is an evil evil world.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:38 AM
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2. This happened right after the first Gulf war. There is a large Iraqi...
...population in Oklahoma. We alerted our airports to hold any Arabs right after the explosion. But McVeigh's license plate got blown off by the blast and he was pulled over. The rest is history. I often wonder who the US would have rather blamed this on if they had the choice? Some Iraqi terrorists? Or an all American, Catholic, Republican, Gulf war veteran, with ties to extremist white supremest groups from New York named Timothy McVeigh? You be the judge.

Don

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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:49 AM
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3. Another cover-up
Edited on Tue Apr-13-04 08:50 AM by liberalnproud
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Alarm over flagrant abuses by federal investigators and prosecutors in the case, and concern that a major cover-up was underway to conceal evidence of multiple perpetrators, multiple bombs, and prior knowledge of the bomb plot, sparked a citizens’ campaign led by Oklahoma State Representative Charles Key to convene a special county grand jury. Among the many things the grand jury has been examining are evidence and testimony that devastatingly challenge the central premise of the government’s case. That premise holds that a Ryder truck loaded with some 4,800 pounds of ammonium nitrate and fuel oil (ANFO) was solely responsible for the death and destruction visited upon Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995.

Science vs. Silence

From the start of our investigation, The New American has found the government’s obstinate adherence to this tottering premise — in the face of monumental evidence to the contrary — to be one of the most troubling aspects of the case. And we have played a major role in developing and disseminating the evidence and expert testimony that thoroughly discredit this increasingly untenable position. "What is becoming daily more obvious is that the federal investigation went off track very early on, and nowhere is this more blatantly obvious than in the claim that the truck bomb brought down the Murrah Building," Cate McCauley, executive director of Mr. Key’s Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee, recently told The New American. "Science and the forensic evidence overwhelmingly contradict this claim. However, aside from your magazine, no one in the media or the government has really done the hard work of explaining and exposing this travesty. What we have been seeing for three years is science versus silence."

The implications are profound. If internal charges were, in fact, used, it would have been impossible for McVeigh to have carried out the operation on his own, as the government contends. More hands — and much more sophisticated expertise — would have been required. Even more perturbing is the charge by experts that evidence of demolition charges on the building’s columns would have been unmistakable to forensic investigators. Thus, the extraordinary rush to blow up the crime scene and bury the evidence before it could be subjected to independent examination is itself strong evidence of a cover-up.

The earliest and most compelling challenge to the lone bomb/lone bomber theory came from Brigadier General Benton K. Partin (USAF, Retired), an expert with sterling credentials and a distinguished military career. On May 18, 1995, one month after the bombing, General Partin delivered a preliminary detailed analysis of the event to members of Congress. "From all the evidence I have seen in the published material," Partin testified, " I can say with a high level of confidence that the damage pattern on the reinforced concrete superstructure could not possibly have been attained from the single truck bomb without supplementing demolition charges at some of the reinforced column bases." In that report (See "OKC Bombing: Expert Analysis" in our June 26, 1995 issue), and in the detailed study which he released on July 13, 1995 (see "Explosive Evidence" in our August 7, 1995 issue), Partin eviscerated the prosecution’s lone-bomb thesis with a host of findings from the forensic evidence indicating that demolition charges were certainly used inside the Murrah Building.

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link http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/proof-of-coverup.html

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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 09:01 AM
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4. well seeing what the FBI did to Judi Bari
http://www.judibari.org/
there are no limits to what they could do.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 09:28 AM
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5. Also
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Other Eyewitnesses

Joe Harp’s story of a fulminated mercury bomb is consistent with a 1995 article by Phil O’Halloran in Relevance magazine which quoted Lieutenant Bill Martin of the Oklahoma City Police Department as saying that such a device had been found at the Murrah Building. Martin now denies that report, but O’Halloran sticks by his story, insisting that Martin has changed his earlier testimony.

Harp’s story is also supported by another important witness, Virgil Steele, who attests to seeing two bombs removed from the building following the evacuation alarms. Steele, an elevator inspector, was among the first to arrive at the Murrah Building after the blast and was one of the few who worked at the site from that day until the building was demolished.

Still another witness who has already gone on the record is Tiffany Bible, an emergency paramedic who was among the first medical personnel to arrive at the blast scene. According to Mrs. Bible (see "Witness Floodgate Opening" in our March 2, 1998 issue), she was standing with a police officer after the first bomb scare evacuation, when an ATF agent remarked to the policeman: "We found a 50-pound bomb attached to a gas line inside the Murrah Building."

There are also many witnesses — including survivors of the bombing — who reported seeing Timothy McVeigh together with other suspects inside the Murrah Building during the days and weeks prior to the explosion. Were they checking the building’s security and planning where and how they would place charges? Those are logical explanations. What is illogical is the FBI’s and the Justice Department’s apparent disinterest in following through on these potentially vital witness reports.

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/proof-of-coverup.html



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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 09:32 AM
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6. Dead people can tell no tales
"Convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh was put to death by lethal injectionon at 7:14 a.m. (8:14 EDT) on Monday, June 11. McVeigh, who admitted setting the bomb that killed 168 people in the Oklahoma City federal building, called off further legal efforts in early June to delay the execution. He is the first first federal prisoner to be executed in 38 years."




Exactly three months before the first plane struck the towers.
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