'Half the Iraqis killed were civilians'

Half the Iraqis killed in the United States offensive in the town of Fallujah were women, children and elderly people, a mediator said on Tuesday, but US officials insisted they take all precautions to avoid non-combatants.

Fouda Rawi, a senior member of the Iraqi Islamic Party that is spearheading efforts to negotiate a ceasefire in the city west of Baghdad, quoted hospital sources as saying more than 600 Iraqis had been killed and 1 250 wounded.

"Among those killed were 160 women, 141 children and many elderly," he said, providing the first precise figures on the number of civilian deaths from the nearly week-long offensive.

http://www.mg.co.za/Content/l3.asp?ao=34049

this is just so shameful...

Americans should see photos of these dead on every front page of their newspapers...maybe then the reality would sink in....

sad beyond words...I should change my handle to that ....sigh...

Peace
DR

elderly be slaughtered in large numbers before putting even one of our occupation force in any jeopardy whatsoever notwithstanding most of the world sees this pre-emptive war, the bombardment, invasion and occupation of another sovereign nation as unnecessary, illegal, unjust, and inhumane. And we as a people and nation are never required to account for our actions.

Although I objected and protested and dissented every step of the way, I still feel deeply shameful.

For every innocent we kill, ten or more people will hate us even more. With social justice being the core of Islam, I sometimes wonder whether those freon neocon freaks aren't doing this crap on purpose in order to provoke world-wide uprising against the USA.

I can't even look at my 2 and 5 year-olds...thinking about what we're doing to their Iraqi counterparts. * has tainted everything, even my own children.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4788-2004Apr12.html

In the first full fatality estimates since widespread fighting erupted a week ago, Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, the U.S. military's top spokesman in Iraq, said about 70 Americans and 700 insurgents had been killed this month, making it the deadliest since the fall of Saddam Hussein's government a year ago. Kimmitt also said there were no reliable figures for Iraqi civilian casualties in the latest fighting and dismissed reports from Fallujah of hundreds of civilian deaths as "propaganda."

Once Fallujah is brought back under control, he said, the Iraqi Health Ministry would be asked to "get a fair, honest and credible figure."

:eyes:

do the job correctly. It amazes me that the Generals there are even allowing the words that we had enough troops to form on their lips. "One of their excuses has been "what are you going to do with all troops you can have too many." Here's some clues for which I hope they have though of. 1. Have the extra troops guard the supply lines so we don't have people being kidknapped and expense equipment destroyed. 2. Have enough troops available so that in the case of Fallujah and the uprising in other cities are nonstarters and even on the romote chance that one happens you can enter a down in multi directions and prevent troops from being ambushed. Ambushes are only sucessful when the party being ambushed is blind about what's ahead. Also while these extra troops are sitting around getting in the way they could be collecting the billions of weapons and bombing making materials and guarding the fucking borders. Just some thoughts. I know all these things are impossible because of the 1 ton elephant sitting in the room. "We don't have the troops to do any of it."

4 mercenarys killed.

141 children killed.

Has the f-------g score been evened up yet!!!!!???

brought to justice. As to the dead children - hey, we're just getting started.



KRAZY KILLER KIMMITT enforcer for the Viceroy

His quote, " if you don't like watching women and children die, change the channel."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=482223

This is a conservative paper. These people presumably have access to the same intelligence our guys have.

Basically, everything coming out of Centcom is a lie, except the part about 'if you dont' like watching women and children die, change the channel.'

"No 10 also backed the tactics being used by American military commanders, and said Mr Blair would be discussing the latest situation in talks with Mr Bush at the White House on Friday.

....

"We are in agreement with the Americans about the strategy and the approach to deal with the situation in Iraq. There is no difference between us.

"We are very aware people have to make decisions on the ground to deal with the situations that arise. British commanders have to take decisions on the ground, as do Americans."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1191010,00.html

http://www.empirenotes.org/fallujah.html

excerpt:

I had heard these claims at third-hand before coming into Fallujah, but was skeptical. It's very difficult to find the real
story here. But this I saw for myself. An ambulance with two neat, precise bullet-holes in the windshield on the driver's
side, pointing down at an angle that indicated they would have hit the driver's chest (the snipers were on rooftops, and
are trained to aim for the chest). Another ambulance again with a single, neat bullet-hole in the windshield. There's no
way this was due to panicked spraying of fire. These were deliberate shots designed to kill the drivers.

The ambulances go around with red, blue, or green lights flashing and sirens blaring; in the pitch-dark of blacked-out city
streets there is no way they can be missed or mistaken for something else). An ambulance that some of our compatriots
were going around in, trading on their whiteness to get the snipers to let them through to pick up the wounded was also
shot at while we were there.

During the course of the roughly four hours we were at that small clinic, we saw perhaps a dozen wounded brought in.
Among them was a young woman, 18 years old, shot in the head. She was seizing and foaming at the mouth when they
brought her in; doctors did not expect her to survive the night. Another likely terminal case was a young boy with massive
internal bleeding. I also saw a man with extensive burns on his upper body and shredded thighs, with wounds that could
have been from a cluster bomb; there was no way to verify in the madhouse scene of wailing relatives, shouts of "Allahu
Akbar" (God is great), and anger at the Americans.

This has to stay up for a while.. when the military officials there keep saying we've killed 600 of the enemy, remember to them, obviously children and elderly are enemies.

Facing reality can be disturbing so comfortable red-white-and-blue sleep masks can help block out unsightly deaths that might cause sleeplessness. Here, try these on-

A few here, a few there, what can you do?

Well, y'know, war is ugly, what can you do?

Freedom ain't free, what can you do?

They hate us for our freedom, what can you do?

You gotta break a few eggs to make and omelette, what can you do?

They chose to be there, what can you do?

We must fight evil, what can you do?

Times are tough, what can you do?

They're just following orders, what can you do?

We must fight terrorism, what can you do?

He's our president, what can you do?

They know things they can't tell us, what can you do?

They are led by evil leaders, what can you do?

The press always shows things as going badly, what can you do?

I can't save the world, what can you do?

Hey, I've got bills to pay, what can you do?

They started this war against us, what can you do?

There will always be war 'cause that's people, what can you do?

That part of the world is just a mess, what can you do?

you probably believe the garbage the PLO/Hamas spout after the IDF cleans out one of their viper pits. We are intelligent enough not to have believe every lie out of the middle east. C'mon.

You're right. I don't believe a damn thing coming out of the mouths of the Occupation authorities in Iraq. This entire invasion and occupation is promulgated on lies.

I DO wholeheartedly believe Rahul Mahajan, an American of (east) Indian descent, whose writings I have been following for over two years -- long before he travelled to Iraq to record conditions there firsthand.

The biggest "nest of vipers" I see is the bush* maladministration and their apologists.

sw

The US propaganda news will always play up American forces and hide the genocide and horrors of war. Listen to the Muslim news and we'll all be better informed.

Obviously, AlJazeera has its OWN bias. While it's interesting -- and no doubt educational -- to see what their take on events in the Arab world is, I would no more assume that they are reporting the unvarnished truth than I do with our OWN media.

I very specifically defended ONE particular correspondent, Rahul Majahan, because, being familiar with his pre-Iraq writings (as I said), I DO consider him an honorable and trustworthy eyewitness.

I do not subscribe to the simplistic duality that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

sw

I believe this tome. Bush MUST be eliminated either by Aljazeera or by his own words. We MUST support all media against him.

:kick:

Is the US really committing genocide and how can we stop it before Kerry takes over next year?

<snip>
"But Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt, the coalition's deputy director of military operations, said on Monday the blame lay with the insurgents.

"Collective punishment is imposed on the people of Fallujah by those terrorists and cowards that hunker down inside mosques, hospitals and schools and use women and children as shields to hide," he said."
<snip>

It's not our fault that F16's and 500 pound bombs take a lot of "collatorals" along with them.

We're upping the karma stakes every day. I guess that the people Kimmitt speaks of couldn't fathom a powerful military capable of disregarding the safety of innocents... Sorry, this war is being run by a man/administration who does not care and seems to revel in dealing death.

*sigh*

God forgive America.

:( but I think its going to be bad ...

I was told by Kermett the Frog that the so-called insurgent death rate was 95%.

Has the facts or the bodies of innocent people ever stopped the usa from pointless slaughter. They know that you and I can't, or will, do anything about it. And if you try you'll see first hand of what it's like to be an Iraqi citizen. It must be like heaven to be a republican in america right now. Iraq is like porn, republican style. Fifty percent of our country is cool with all those dead babies, children, mothers, fathers...; Most of those american people have pro-life stickers on their cars.

I'm movig to the BVI's

,...makes the world seem unsuccessfully inside-out,...kinda like the movie, "The Fly", huh. Humanity has created a very, messy reality,...sadly.