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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 02:27 PM
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WikiLeaks: Bin Laden's courier (killed alongside bin Laden in raid) 'trained 9/11 hijack team'
Edited on Tue May-03-11 02:28 PM by kpete
Source: Telegraph UK

WikiLeaks: Bin Laden's courier 'trained 9/11 hijack team'
The courier who led American special forces to Osama bin Laden's hideout was an al-Qaeda computer expert who helped train the 9/11 hijack team, according to leaked US government files.

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When al-Kuwaiti made a phone call in 2010, he unknowingly led the Americans to the doorstep of the world's most wanted terrorist. He was said to have been among those killed alongside Osama bin Laden in yesterday’s dramatic raid.

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Secret American military files from Guantanamo Bay, leaked to Wikileaks and seen by The Daily Telegraph, suggest that al-Kuwaiti may have been with bin Laden ever since he disappeared from the Tora Bora mountains in Afghanistan in 2001.

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According to the file, al-Kuwaiti provided al-Qahtani with computer training for the mission to attack the US in the summer of 2001. Al-Qahtani was told by the lead 9/11 hijacker, Muhammad Atta, “to make reservations and buy airline tickets to Orlando for five individuals” including himself.

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8489866/WikiLeaks-Bin-Ladens-courier-trained-911-hijack-team.html
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Iliyah Donating Member (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 02:58 PM
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1. Team 6 went
in for the sole purpose of getting OBL - dead or alive. Guns blazing from both you and OBL's people, got to his room and he comes rushing towards you, what would be your first reaction?
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 03:00 PM
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2. LOL! This was a dead or dead mission...
The idea that anyone wanted him alive is ludicrous.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 03:03 PM
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3. Just heard on the radio that he was unarmed when taken.
There goes your talking point.
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Iliyah Donating Member (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 03:08 PM
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4. It's not a talking point
and please do not associate me with trolls from the right wing. It's easy to sit outside and compare.

I've read and listened to the news, this is my personal thoughts.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 03:46 PM
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5. And I totally agree with you!!
:hi:

I could care less if this was a KILL mission or not considering the individual they were going after!

One thing is for sure...Our President has HUGE AMERICAN BRASS BALLS! That was such a risky order to give & he did it...Exactly what he said he would do in 2008 when EVERYONE from the other Democratic Candidates to the entire Right Wing criticized him & said he was naive if he thought he could order American troops into Pakistan & get away with it!

I LOVE OUR PRESIDENT!!
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Tumbulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 04:05 PM
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6. I do remember that reply at the debate very well
and I see nothing that they could have done but shoot him. But they should have had a number of very reliable and high up official witnesses on the ship to watch this burial and confirm that it actually was OBL as the rapidity of his body disappearance is a bit much.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 04:18 PM
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7. If anyone wants confirmation on his burial just give them the coordinates
after about 6 months.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 04:29 PM
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8. I read they filmed the buriel as well...
I would think we will get more info as time passes...I think they want to avoid being disrespectful to the Muslim world. However, folks will use this to fuel their Conspiracies so like almost all the problems Obama is facing there is no solution that does not have draw backs!

I would not want to be in his shoes...However, I do think President Obama is handling the shit he was left with pretty good so far!
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Tumbulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 06:06 PM
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11. Yes he is- wow! (nt)
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 05:06 PM
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10. Amen, brother! The "Jimmy Carter Syndrome" bit the dust
BIG TIME with this successful mission.

It's a great time to be a Democrat!

:kick::kick::kick:
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 08:45 PM
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12. Why is it a great time to be a Democrat?
Edited on Tue May-03-11 08:46 PM by OnyxCollie
Has the Democratic party gone back to supporting unions; helping the poor, sick, and disadvantaged; raising taxes on the rich; ensuring fair and accurate elections; and punishing war criminals and fraudulent bankers?

No, we just killed a guy (who was unarmed, no less.)

Hooray.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 08:14 AM
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14. No, but...
it appears as if Dems can now kill like repukes. That appears to be the underlying statement that no one wants to come right out and say.

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chowder66 Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 04:34 PM
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9. Small point ; I don't see where the poster says OBL is armed.
Edited on Tue May-03-11 04:38 PM by chowder66
He says OBL's people.

just sayin'

on edit; rushing toward you doesn't have to mean he is armed either. Suicide by Seal scenario?

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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 06:54 AM
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13. Nice bunch of loose ends being tidied away this week ... (n/t)
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:27 PM
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15. I think the thing we have to worry about is that the war between the CIA and the Pentagon is over,
which is going to make for much smoother, more effective imperial operations.

My theory about this is that when Rumsfeld/Cheney declared war on the CIA, outing its entire WMD counter-proliferation project--cuz they wouldn't manufacture evidence to justify war on Iraq and Iran--and then when the military brass opposed Rumfeld/Cheney's intention to nuke Iran--Junior's junta began to come apart (circa 2005, Bush/Rove vs Cheney/Libby on who was going to take the fall for the CIA outings), and Daddy Bush intervened with his "Iraq Study Group" (i.e. "Iraq/Iran Study Group"), of which Leon Panetta was a member (and deep cover CIA, in my opinion).

Daddy Bush's ISG and the military brass ousted Rumsfeld in late 2006 (after which all talk of nuking Iran went away), a deal was brokered to oust Rumsfeld and de-fang Cheney for the final two years of Junior's term (no prosecutions of Bush Junta principles--Pelosi announced that "impeachment is off the table" and the deal was sold to the winning candidate--"we need look forward not backward") and Panetta was put in charge of the CIA to heal the wounds and help end the war with the Pentagon.

Last week, in a highly unusual event, the head of the CIA (Panetta) switched places with the head of Pentagon (Gates), for more cessation of this internal war. The CIA had killed OBL (or stumbled upon his dead body) long ago, but wouldn't give it to Rumsfeld-Cheney who were trying to destroy the CIA. They kept it on ice. And they've now bequeathed it to the Pentagon (which gets to crow about it) as part of a CIA/Pentagon peace treaty.

And this is why the body was dumped in the ocean. If the U.S. really had the fresh, U.S. special forces-killed body of OBL, they would have turned it over to independent forensic experts to verify identity, cause of death and era of death--as any government with respect for the intelligence of human beings would do, to allay all suspicions. Then they would have buried it anonymously, to prevent the grave becoming an inspiration to jihadists. Their cover story that they didn't know what to do with the body is hilarious, actually. The disinformation line is that, buried at a known location, OBL's grave would become an inspirational place for jihadists--and no country would accept it (as if they seriously considered giving it to another country for burial--LOL!) And we're supposed to believe that the CIA can't bury a body anonymously, such that it will never be found. LOL, LOL and LOL!

It was a GIFT--CIA to Pentagon: "Happy Christmas! The war is over (if you want it)!"

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I don't know if my scenario is true--or partly true--or all wrong. It's a lot of guesses (I think pretty good guesses) from the 10% of what goes on that we can see. But I think we had better start learning to be skeptical of comic book narratives like this--the ten-year hunt for Osama bin Laden and then--poof!--body gone and all evidence that could verify official accounts, gone--no matter which of our two war parties is spinning the tale (and no matter the differences we may see in them on domestic policy or the differing goals that we project onto them re foreign policy).

The good part of my scenario--if it is true--is that nuking Iran was averted. The risk of armageddon (nuke powers Pakistan, India, Israel, Russia and China coming into it) was very great, in my opinion (something that Daddy Bush and his ISG and the military brass could see and Rumsfeld-Cheney were insanely refusing to see). I cannot be sorry about that outcome. But the bad parts are, a) our government really is totally out of our control--its internal squabbles affect us profoundly, and could even end all life on earth--but we have been denied any say whatsoever in major decisions; and b) the smoother, more effective imperial workings (CIA and the Pentagon on the same page) are not for our benefit nor for the benefit of any other poor majority anywhere--they are for the benefit of the very, very rich, the very, very powerful and the very, vary unaccountable. We are a side-show--an exploitable resource--in their transglobal empire.

Reality narratives like mine ("grow up, kids!") can serve a good purpose, even if they miss the mark. We really do need to understand how much we are lied to and manipulated, and begin to look for practical, strategic ways to restore our democracy. I think the first one has to be to get rid of the 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines--but I tend to think in those terms: where does power actually reside? If the very mechanism of the transfer of power in a democracy is taken over by a highly secretive, far rightwing-connected corporation--ES&S, which bought out Diebold and now has an 80% monopoly over election outcomes--then you had better look there FIRST to restore democracy. PUBLIC vote counting is fundamental. But I don't mean to say that other grass roots movements and educational efforts are not important. I just don't want to see those grass roots efforts go for nothing. Having watched the leftist democracy movement in Latin America very closely, I know that the No.1 reason for the incredible success of that movement has been prior civic work on honest election systems. Without transparent vote counting, you might as well be organizing on Mars. That is WHY it was taken away here (by the Anthrax Congress, in the same month as the Iraq War Resolution--Oct '02!).
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 08:56 PM
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16. Your imagination makes WAY too much sense of so many crazy happenings
Including not being able to get the story right, and all the useful witnesses left behind because a helicopter broke down, and Obama gets to see it live but there's no footage for the nightly news, etc, etc,...

If I weren't in the business of shoveling shit, I might believe the unconvincing narrative... from the Mikado by Wm. Shenk Gilbert....
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