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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:35 PM
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Israel Training US Assassination Squads In Iraq
Israel Training US Assassination Squads In Iraq

April 13, 2004


The Guardian - UK, 4-11-4



Israeli advisers are helping train US special forces in aggressive counter-insurgency operations in Iraq, including the use of assassination squads against guerrilla leaders, US intelligence and military sources said.

The Israeli Defence Force (IDF) has sent urban warfare specialists to Fort Bragg in North Carolina, the home of US special forces, and according to two sources, Israeli military "consultants" have also visited Iraq.

US forces in Iraq's Sunni triangle have already begun to use tactics that echo Israeli operations in the occupied territories, sealing off centres of resistance with razor wire and razing buildings from where attacks have been launched against US troops.
But the secret war in Iraq is about to get much tougher, in the hope of suppressing the Ba'athist-led insurgency ahead of next November's presidential elections.

US special forces teams are already behind the lines inside Syria attempting to kill foreign jihadists before they cross the border, and a group focused on the "neutralisation" of guerrilla leaders is being set up, according to sources familiar with the operations.
(snip/...)

http://www.aljazeerah.info/News%20archives/2004%20News%20archives/April/13n/Israel%20Training%20US%20Assassination%20Squads%20In%20Iraq.htm

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:37 PM
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1. While al-Jazeera is not a trustworthy source
it certainly is possible.

Anyone got another, more credible source for this?
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sjgman9 Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:41 PM
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3. Altho this comes from Al-Jazeera
It makes sense for the IDF to train our guys at home.
They know how to bust up insurgencies.
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Mithras61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 05:03 PM
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15. Sure they do...
just look how quickly the PLO & Hamas have faded from the scene... :eyes:
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:46 PM
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7. I don't know that its untrustworthy
Edited on Tue Apr-13-04 04:49 PM by Vladimir
as much as it has an agenda - there is no difference in my eyes between Al-Jazeera and a paper like, say, the Times here in the UK. Most of the time, neither will print outright lies but both will spin the story heavily to push their particular agenda. I would not be in the slightes bit surprised if this was true - it makes perfect sense since the IDF has a lot of experience with targeted and not-so-targeted assasinations.

V

On edit: To put it another way, I would trust Al-Jazeera over FOX/SkyNews/CNN any day of the week.
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makhno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:47 PM
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8. Guardian
This is exactly LBN. This was originally reported in The Guardian late last year. The part about Israeli specialists participating in US SOF counter-insurgency training.

bm
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:49 PM
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10. This isn't actually from Al Jazeera
aljazeerah.info is a news collation site totally unconnected to the newspaper/television station of similar name (www.aljazeera.net and english.aljazeera.net).

Look at the main page, and it states at the bottom that this site is run from Georgia, plus a disclaimer:

Al-Jazeerah Information Center is an independent USA news and research organization. It is not related to any other identity or government in the world.  In particular, it is not related to the Saudi or the Qatari websites with similar names.


The original article above is from the UK Guardian, as it states.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:50 PM
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11. Wups. May bad. I just looked right through it
Sorry. Stupid of me.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:55 PM
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13. the sudden kneejerk must've obscured your vision
Edited on Tue Apr-13-04 04:57 PM by Aidoneus
Three points..

First of all, I would be interested in an explanation of how al-Jazeera is not trustworthy, and please refrain from shallow cliches.

Second, it's not even the same source that you're thinking of. This site, http://www.aljazeerah.info, is a place that collects a great amount of articles and editorials from around a wide variety of news sources.. http://english.aljazeera.net is the English-language web-version of the Qatari satellite network that you are thinking of.

Third--and this is where I call into question your vision and not merely your prejudices--, it's originally from The Guardian. I didn't even have to click the link to realize this, for the original poster bolded it right within the first few lines. If you had examined it and not merely spouted off the programmed reaction, that would've been obvious.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 05:08 PM
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17. Well thanks for the insults
That was productive.

If you'll notice, I admitted as much above.

You are correct and to be quiter honest, I view ANY media sources from the Unfree World (which now includes Imperial Amerika) as suspect for the same litany of reasons that always is the case.

But thanks again for the insults.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 05:43 PM
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20. Those weren't insults
Borderline, maybe.. mostly hovering somewhere around expressions of sharpened annoyance. I started it before I saw those above.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:39 PM
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2. The IDF has really helped make Israel a peaceful place
A virtual Valhalla!

Hope they can "work their magic" on Iraq:crazy:
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makhno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:42 PM
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4. Behind the times
sealing off centres of resistance with razor wire and razing buildings from where attacks have been launched against US troops.

Why would they need Israeli consultants to learn that? Simply look up Einsatztruppen or SS Sonderkommando tact in your favorite WWII book.

I, for one, am eagerly awaiting the introduction of such "novel" counter-insurgency tactics as executing all men in a village where an American soldier was killed. If it worked so well for the Germans, I don't see why it wouldn't work for our boys.

bm
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BostonTeaParty04 Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:44 PM
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5. Already murdering people in Syria?
Grrreeeatttt!!!
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:44 PM
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6. I am sure this has been going on for a while
I can't imagine why we would need special training now. Not like this type of thing has not been planned for (though obviously not in Iraq).
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:48 PM
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9. Couldn't they just go to the School of the Americas?
For death squad training. No real need to bring in the IDF, I thought the U.S. exported this know-how during the Reagan years (at least).
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CabalBuster Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:54 PM
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12. The original Guardian Article
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:56 PM
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14. Seymour Hersch Wrote about this several months ago...
in the New Yorker I believe. Fascinating article... he compared the exercises to Operation Phoenix during the Vietnam War.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 05:07 PM
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16. Anybody ever read Vengeance, by George Jonas?...
It was later made into a movie called Sword of Gideon, about the Israeli hit squads which targeted Palestinian leaders after the murder of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Munich Olympics.

The program had some successes, but was called off after a case of mistaken identity killed an Arab waiter in Norway (I think).

Good read which highlights the dangers of using assassination as a political tool.

Sid
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makhno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 05:15 PM
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18. Rings a bell
Wasn't the controversy aroused when a couple of Mossad agents got caught, either on the Norwegian deal or some other place? Maybe I'm thinking of another operation.

One Day in September was a pretty good documentary on the subject.

bm
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 05:16 PM
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19. The US spent $477,000,000,000.00*
Edited on Tue Apr-13-04 05:19 PM by SOS
on the War Department last year.

And yet we need Blackwater private security to guard Viceroy Bremer, the IDF to train soldiers, Halliburton to import the oil into Iraq and Jordanian arms merchants to supply the Iraqi police with guns.

Where the f%$# does all that money go?




*$310 B War Dept.
$167 B extra for Iraq.

That's 1,400 stacks of $100 bills each as tall as the Empire State Building!
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