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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:15 PM
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Fed Court Reverses 2 Convictions in Siegelman Case (Rest of Verdict Upheld)
Edited on Tue May-10-11 01:40 PM by Hissyspit
Source: Associated Press

Fed court reverses 2 convictions in Siegelman case
Updated: Tuesday, 10 May 2011, 10:49 AM CDT
Published : Tuesday, 10 May 2011, 10:48 AM CDT

By GREG BLUESTEIN Associated Press
ATLANTA, (AP) - A federal appeals court has reversed two bribery convictions of a former Alabama governor and a high-profile businessman, but upheld the rest of the 2006 corruption convictions.

The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said in ruling Tuesday that there was not enough evidence to convict former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman and ex-HealthSouth CEO Richard Scrushy of the two bribery counts, which involved a hospital license and equipment.

But the three-judge panel's ruling upheld the rest of the jury's verdict on corruption-related counts against the two, finding that it "commands the respect of this court, and that verdict must be sustained if there is substantial evidence to support it."

But the three-judge panel's ruling upheld the rest of the jury's verdict on corruption-related counts against the two, finding that it "commands the respect of this court, and that verdict must be sustained if there is substantial evidence to support it."

Read more: http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/alabama/fed-court-reverses-2-convictions-in-siegelman-case
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:21 PM
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1. If 2 of the jury's verdicts were suspect, why not all of the jury's verdict????
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:23 PM
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2. It's called bullshit.
Meanwhile Bentley is doing the same thing but directly to campaign and nothing is happening.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:36 PM
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5. I'm reading conflicting things about whether the honest services charges
Edited on Tue May-10-11 01:48 PM by pnwmom
remain.

http://legalschnauzer.blogspot.com/


Early wire reports are sketchy, but here is what appears to have happened: The 11th Circuit already had reversed the honest-services fraud convictions against Siegelman, and today's ruling kicks out the bribery convictions against both Siegelman and codefendant Richard Scrushy. That appears to mean that the only remaining conviction against Siegelman is for an obstruction of justice count related to a transaction involving a motorcycle. It's unclear what exactly remains against Scrushy.

We have not had an opportunity to review today's ruling, but this outcome does not surprise us. In fact, we posted roughly two months ago that it appears federal appeals courts are issuing "split decisions" on Bush-era political prosecutions. By upholding at least one segment of the convictions, the appeals courts are giving the prosecutions some legitimacy and making it more difficult for victims to sue for monetary damages.

Victims might have their prison sentences greatly reduced, or eliminated, but justice still will not be served. In the Siegelman/Scrushy case, we still have motions to recuse trial judge Mark Fuller.

If the Eleventh Circuit has, in fact, left only the obstruction of justice count hanging against Siegelman, it proves what we have known for some time--our federal courts are a farce from top to bottom.

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2011/05/10/1572394/appeals-court-makes-decision-in.html

The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals has upheld some convictions against former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman and Richard Scrushy, tossed others out and sent the case back to U.S. District Court for resentencing.
Siegelman and Richard Scrushy were convicted in 2006 of bribery and other charges in a federal government corruption case. Both were sentenced to about seven years in prison.
The men appealed their case, and the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in June that prosecutors erred in using the “honest services” law in the prosecution of former Enron CEO Jeffrey Skilling, Siegelman and Scrushy.
Tuesday’s order tosses out two convictions for Siegelman and Scrushy dealing with a bribery scheme. However, it affirmed five other convictions against Siegelman and four against Scrushy.


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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:41 PM
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7. I love that you are so up on the correct legal terms, Hissyspit.
I agree with ya.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:24 PM
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3. Don Siegelman deserved a new trial in another state, not an appeal from his convictions.
Holder dropped the ball on this one.
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iandhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:30 PM
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4. never heard of a trial in another state?
Edited on Tue May-10-11 01:45 PM by iandhr
herd of moving to a different place in the same state.
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CrossChris Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:38 PM
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6. Or maybe Holder did exactly what he wanted to do: protect Rove at all costs
I have to think there was some sort of a deal between Obama and Bush that no one would lay a finger on Rove. That's the most logical explanation I can come up with. I would love if someone had another theory.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:49 PM
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8. Perhaps Holder thinks Siegelman is guilty and deserves punishment
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 05:08 PM
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9. The whole case stunk to high Rove-shit heaven and the convictions should have
been overturned a long time ago. It Holder thinks that, he is an ass.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 07:55 AM
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10. Rove's guilt or innocence is irrelevant to Mr. Siegelman's guilt or innocence
Did he commit the crime he was accused of? If so, he belongs in jail.
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CrossChris Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:56 AM
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11. Did you happen to follow the case--at all? Rove's prints were all over it.
Even the most casual observer could see that.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:36 AM
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12. That doesn't change the fact that he was convicted of bribery
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:08 AM
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15. Yeah, the legal system is never corrupt or used for political purposes
Especially in Alabama. :sarcasm:

You don't know ANYTHING about this case apparently.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:13 AM
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16. I do know that neither the federal courts nor AG Holder has given credence to this conspiracy theory
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:19 AM
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18. Well, there you go then.
:eyes:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:40 AM
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21. I am sorry that you have constructed a set of beliefs which are not supported by the facts
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CrossChris Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 01:30 PM
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25. What about the 40+ state AG's? (eta -- sorry, 50+)
Edited on Wed May-11-11 01:32 PM by CrossChris
Plenty of highly accredited people are concerned over this "conspiracy theory."
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 01:57 PM
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29. Do you beleive that AG Holder is unaware of this?
If so, I suggest that you contact him ASAP with this urgent information.

Otherwise it would appear that he has failed to be swayed.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:05 AM
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14. The whole process was completely corrupt.
Edited on Wed May-11-11 11:06 AM by Hissyspit
Charges should have been thrown out.

And NO he didn't commit a crime. Plenty of former state AGs signed on saying as much.

You clearly don't know anything about this case.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:16 AM
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17. The one AG's whose opinion matters, Eric Holder, apperently believes otherwise
Edited on Wed May-11-11 11:17 AM by Freddie Stubbs
Perhaps you have some information which he is unaware of.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:25 AM
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19. Perhaps you are being a smartass again
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:32 AM
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20. Smart? nt
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:41 AM
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22. Just relaying some facts. Would you prefer that Democrats be uninformed?
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:45 AM
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23. It's never stopped you from commenting before. nt
Edited on Wed May-11-11 11:45 AM by Guy Whitey Corngood
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 01:29 PM
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24. I refuse to be bullied
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 01:45 PM
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26. Good for you. Now if you would only refuse
Edited on Wed May-11-11 01:47 PM by Guy Whitey Corngood
to drop lame one liners reg. things you know very little about it would be even better. :thumbsup:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 01:51 PM
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27. I know enough about this issue to confound conspiracy theorists
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 01:55 PM
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28. If I see one I'll let 'em know. Meanwhile I'm sure all those state's attorneys, elected
Edited on Wed May-11-11 01:59 PM by Guy Whitey Corngood
representatives, Bill Moyers, Thomm Hartman and pretty much everyone who has pointed out the conflicts of interest and irregularities in the case will sleep so much better knowing you're on the case. After all coincidence theorists are never wrong.
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CrossChris Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 01:57 PM
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30. What about the 50+ state AG's? Are they conspiracy theorists, too? You know more than they do?
Or do you just like to repeat these points like a robot without really backing up your arguments?
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 01:58 PM
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31. Well now......... nt
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 03:32 PM
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32. It would appear that those people are either wrong, or are doing a poor job of
convincing Mr. Holder.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 04:03 PM
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33. .
Edited on Wed May-11-11 04:07 PM by Guy Whitey Corngood
:rofl:
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 04:20 PM
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34. Did AGs from all 57 states agree? n/t
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CrossChris Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 04:21 PM
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35. I forgot that each state only has 1 ag for life. Thanks for your correction. nt
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 06:00 PM
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36. No, what you forgot was that Senator Obama said he had already
campaigned in 57 states so far.
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CrossChris Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 09:32 AM
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37. LOL, you're right, I did. My apologies.
Hard to tell what's what on a thread like this. Well played.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:49 AM
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13. Son of a bitch, are they serious???
Edited on Wed May-11-11 10:58 AM by Jefferson23
I am highly skeptical of this, their findings on the verdict must be sustained by WHAT substantial evidence?

For those who may have forgotten:


Snip* But the show was dominated by one of 52 former attorneys general from 40 of the 50 states who have called for a Congressional probe of the conduct of the Siegelman case, former Arizona Attorney General Grant Woods.

http://harpers.org/archive/2008/02/hbc-90002487

on edit for clarity.
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