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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:21 PM
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Report: US Secretary of State Clinton calls China’s human rights record ‘deplorable’
Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON — U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton lashed out against China’s human rights record in an interview released Tuesday during high-level meetings aimed at building goodwill between the two governments.

In an interview published on the website of The Atlantic magazine, Clinton said China’s human rights record is “deplorable” and that history is not on the side of governments that resist democracy.

Clinton had also raised human rights, though less stridently, at the start of the U.S.-China Strategic Dialogue, which entered its second and final day Tuesday. Both countries have tried to stress a generally positive track in relations between the economic superpowers.

China had responded in mild terms to statement that President Barack Obama made Monday in support of human rights — an issue that Beijing regards as an internal matter and which it is highly sensitive about.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/china_urges_us_to_allow_more_high_tech_exports_to_help_narrow_the_gaping_trade_deficit/2011/05/10/AFzTryeG_story.html



The interview: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/05/hillary-clinton-and-chinese-doom-the-dave-chappelle-factor/238650/
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:29 PM
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1. Pot .... kettle ............
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:34 PM
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2. yup, hard to lead from behind
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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:38 PM
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4. Yeah, that was my first thought as well...
Edited on Tue May-10-11 01:39 PM by 47of74

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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:35 PM
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3. Way to go Hillary,
Piss them off before the meeting starts. How do you expect to negotiate anything after this.
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TimLighter Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:40 PM
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5. She's so much more diplomatic than some people
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:41 PM
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6. The irony, of course, is that seven years after Tiananmen Square, her husband
pushed hard to extend Most Favored Nation Trading Status to ... China!

Obviously, she's her own person, but it is sadly ironic.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 02:00 PM
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7. We are not, and have never been consistent. When Jimmy Carter boycoted the Olympics, and used wheat
shipments to Russia as a statement against human rights it only hurt are athletes and farmers

In my view it is much better to influence people through dialog and example

However, the "public" dialog the Secretary of State is doing is not what I had in mind

The history of China is long and complicated, and the western colonialsm only complicated it more

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fredamae Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 02:04 PM
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8. Dear Ms. Clinton: What say you of America's Human Rights or
rather the lack there-of?
Just for starters...We have Prisoners working for the Defense Dept making "goods", locked up and working for Cheap, Cheap wages.
How are we better than China or any other comparable country? Who are We to criticize them????

That claim, is but just "one goat that has escaped the barn-yard". A wise politician would never utter claims of another country violating these rights unless and until American's are fully made whole again by the corporate gov't that has nearly destroyed us.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 02:08 PM
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9. You go girl.
Obviously the WH and the SOS are on the same page. More correctly - she is doing as asked.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 07:11 AM
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18. Yep ... the page headed "Hypocrisy". (n/t)
:thumbsdown:
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TatonkaJames Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 02:18 PM
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10. What she said in this article;
In an interview published on the website of The Atlantic magazine, Clinton said China’s human rights record is “deplorable” and that history is not on the side of governments that resist democracy.

This almost makes democracy sound totalitarian. Do you use that language when trying to build goodwill ?
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 02:49 PM
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11. "This almost makes democracy sound totalitarian"
In what world?

I guess you like China's history on human rights? Where are you from?
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 03:28 AM
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15. We Americans
and our leaders are so damn hypocritical we support human rights violators around the world and our record is a bit spotty,ask the Indians,the blacks,the Mexicans,all of the small countries we have annexed through wars and buying land and the people(Alaska)all of them populated by people of color.Our European allies have now or had colonies inhabited by people of color.Leave the propaganda to the experts( Fox News).
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 02:54 PM
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12. Iow, OBEY!
Yes, you're right.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 05:07 PM
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13. It's the word 'democracy' used in a totaltarian context
E.g. Hillary from the US Empire.

One brutal empire criticizing another brutal empire for not being brutal in the preferred manner.

Some world we got goin', alright.
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center rising Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 11:52 PM
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14. I love ya Hillary but...
You are stating the incredibly obvious!!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 05:39 AM
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16. I'm sure China has a memo or two stashed somewhere
and memos make it all good.
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 06:19 AM
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17. We lost the right to criticise what we ourselves are doing in abundance /nt
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:39 AM
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19. American Exceptionalism: Morality is apparently expected of every county except the US.
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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 12:04 PM
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20. while the USA is certainly not perfect
let's compare the USA and China.


Human Rights (1 being the best)
China scores a 8.39
The USA scores a 2.64
Source

political rights (1 being the best)
USA: 1
China: 7

civil liberties (1 being the best)
USA: 1
China: 6

Source

Is the USA perfect? certainly not. From a Human Rights standpoint, would I rather live here than in China? Damn straight
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 12:06 PM
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21. Thank you. We have problems, but it's not hypocritical to call out China on their problems. (nt)
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