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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:43 PM
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WP: Panel Says Bush Saw Repeated Warnings (MUST READ!!!)
MUST READ THE WHOLE THING, here are the first four grafs:

Panel Says Bush Saw Repeated Warnings

By Dana Priest
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, April 14, 2004; Page A01

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9642-2004Apr13.html

By the time a CIA briefer gave President Bush the Aug. 6, 2001, President's Daily Brief headlined "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US," the president had seen a stream of alarming reports on al Qaeda's intentions. So had Vice President Cheney and Bush's top national security team, according to newly declassified information released yesterday by the commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

In April and May 2001, for example, the intelligence community headlined some of those reports, "Bin Laden planning multiple operations," "Bin Laden network's plans advancing" and "Bin Laden threats are real."

The intelligence included reports of a hostage plot against Americans. It noted that operatives might choose to hijack an aircraft or storm a U.S. embassy. Without knowing when, where or how the terrorists would strike, the CIA "consistently described the upcoming attacks as occurring on a catastrophic level, indicating that they would cause the world to be in turmoil," {and still they did nothing!} according to one of two staff reports released by the panel yesterday.

"Reports similar to these were made available to President Bush in the morning meetings with Tenet," the commission staff said.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:46 PM
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1. Going to make the popcorn...
Butter, everyone?
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renegade000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:47 PM
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2. light on the salt please.
thank you.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:53 PM
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3. I'd like a bag of Whoppers,
since I assume some will be told.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:32 PM
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43. Pizza and beer,...
,...with lots of napkins!!!!

:bounce:

LIHOP is evolving. Wonder if MIHOP is next on the menu?
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:00 AM
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4. If Only He'd Known

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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 07:09 AM
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32. If only he knew the flights, times, seat numbers, exact targets
he might have shortened his 30 day vacation by a day or two
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:01 AM
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5. I for one am NOT surprised
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:03 AM
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6. Double plus LIHOP with cheese on top
Those fucking bastards.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:06 AM
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7. It is nirvana to be soooo naive!
NOTHING can affect you....for you area 'true believer' (in you own ego, your own God, your own reality) There is NOTHING capable of swaying you from your beliefs - for you are a true believer - and you BELIEVE!!! You feel it in your soul..it is REAL, it is TRUE.

Or, maybe you just drank too much - either at the bar or at the church...
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:07 AM
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8. Can You Say LIHOP?
They knew, and they did nothing because they needed a spark to start a war in Iraq. They needed a "Pearl Harbor" event, and they got one.

How else do you explain why they immeadiately wanted to attack Iraq even before they could confirm who did it? Even after they confirmed that it was Al Qeda, Rumsfeld wanted to attack Iraq.

To LIHOP doubters, I cannot see how you can still have doubts.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 01:16 AM
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16. PNAC & Kean - Perfect Together

A transformation strategy that solely
pursued capabilities for projecting force
from the United States, for example, and
sacrificed forward basing and presence,
would be at odds with larger American
policy goals and would trouble American
allies.
{Further, the process of transformation,}
is likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a
new Pearl Harbor.
Domestic politics and
industrial policy will shape the pace and
content of transformation as much as the
requirements of current missions.
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:34 AM
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39. Thanks for the quote
{Further, the process of transformation,}
is likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a
new Pearl Harbor.


It had never been called to my attention. Together with the references to Pearl Harbor soon after 9/11, it is chilling.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:27 AM
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28. Yup! They wanted a reason to attack Iraq so they ignored ....
the warnings.

Apply that same reasoning to the mystery of who the anthrax killer(s) were. Without the 9/11 attacks what would have been used as the rational for attacking Iraq? Who had access to the anthrax? Who was responsible for keeping it secure?

These people didn't just let 9/11 happen. They were impatient for a reason to go to war. They were in the process of creating their own reason when 9/11 happened.

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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:17 AM
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37. I would say there was a cell or group or something operating...........
that little black opps somewhere. After all several different pieces of information point to some kind of weird thing going on. They seem to be a point idea of holding one of them "Get Out Jail Free" cards when examine the ones that slipped through. Also considering we might not of ever heard a lot things that also happened.

They were saying we were going to let people go after criminal acts because they were looking for bigger kettles of fish. I tend not to believe this too much. They let the people in here in the first place and were following them around after they let them in. I am not buying that someone didn't know what was going on there are some too complicit and close to the fire.

They want to have their secret government but are not willing or able to pay the price (it would have never worked any real democracy anyway)

The government that does not trust the people it's supposedly working with or for is no government of the people. They want to plead ignorance to the people, but never asked or gained the permission from the people as whole to do it in the first place.

Don't give them that permission, they mean no good if they get it.

If the US would have operated in this fashion during WWII, it would have lost that war and we would have never gained any of that freedom we had after it.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:42 PM
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44. The origins of that anthrax were specifically located?
That is my recollection,...that the strain was specifically identified with a military base located in the southeast region of the US. I'll have to go back through all my "stuff". But, I do recall that the investigation revealed that the strain was specific enough for the FBI (?) to directly track it to a military base.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 04:43 PM
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49. Often I've thought MIHOP.. but it's probably LIHOP instead.
Bush wanted a justification to attack Iraq, and plunge us into the never-ending wars. They KNEW that Al Quaida would retaliate after the infamous 2001 "carpet of bombs" meeting. They knew it. They wanted something to happen to justify their first-attack mentality. I don't know if they could grasp what the fuck really DID happen! Could be why Bush looked as though he soiled himself when his aide whispered it into his ear at that school on 9/11.

This whole thing is shades of Northwoods Project, and that episode of Lone Gunman which aired in April, 2001.

The reason I always wondered if it was MIHOP was that no one but marketing guys, like the ones that populate Bush's entire Cabinet, would come up with a more marketable event date than 9/11. It always seems WAY too perfect for perpetuating it, and selling it to the American people as a commodity.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:08 AM
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9. Geez, he'll have to do another press conference tomorrow and
Edited on Wed Apr-14-04 12:09 AM by Old and In the Way
retract everything he just said. Wouldn't it just be easier to come clean with the American people and just say you were too busy plotting the Iraqi War for oil to worry about terrorists attacking the US? Lying directly to the American people is bad form Dimson.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:11 AM
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10. If only this were a Yahoo article, I'd give it a 5.
I hope it gets mileage.
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MinnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:22 AM
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11. forward that link to all the right-wing radio bigmouths...
....
who have slavishly sung hosannas to Bush since Day One.


Bush should resign, now.


This is a shameful episode for our country.


Course, the nuts will, if the mention it at all, point to the Post as a lib rag and claim bias...without even trying to refute the information.


seems our press is growing a spine...God bless 'em. Not a moment too soon.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:40 AM
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12. Is that the then-still-classified "M.O.N." that was referred to earlier?
Edited on Wed Apr-14-04 12:49 AM by calimary
Amazing. Just gets more amazing every day.

Well, having read it all, I'm thinking it's not. Still wondering what "M.O.N." is.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:52 AM
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13. Wow!
No wonder the press asked Bush twice tonight if he wanted the opportunity to apologize to the nation. The fact that he refused to do so is stunning. If 911 happened due to Bush's incompetence, the best thing he could do is apologize and say to the American people that he screwed up. But the evidence against him must be so overwhelming, there's no way we'd accept incompetency as a reason.

I wonder if this is one of the surprises Kean spoke of.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 01:05 AM
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14. Geez ....
How can they weather the storm ? ...

It's as if they were riding a tiger, and froze ....

Either they are EXTREMELY incompetent and utterly ignorant: or they DID let it happen ....

Fucking assholes ..... Thousands were killed .....
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Sliverofhope Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 01:10 AM
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15. kick n/t
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 01:20 AM
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17. I wonder ....
Edited on Wed Apr-14-04 01:24 AM by Trajan
"The government moved on several fronts to counter the threats. The CIA launched "disruption operations" in 20 countries. Tenet met or phoned 20 foreign intelligence officials. Units of the 5th Fleet were redeployed. Embassies went on alert. Cheney called Crown Prince Adbullah of Saudi Arabia to ask for help. National security adviser Condoleezza Rice asked the CIA to brief Attorney General John D. Ashcroft about an "imminent" terrorist attack whose location was unknown. "

I wonder: Did all this activity follow the failed Taliban pipeline negotiations and the subsecquent (paraphrased) "We offered you a carpet of gold, and now you will get a carpet of bombs" event ? ...

Suddenly: the Taliban turned against the Bush WH, and reacted poorly to the american threats .... I could easily believe that Al Qaeda responded with the typical theocratic rantings and ravings we have come to expect from them ...

I wonder what the timing of these events were ? ... reality is a continuous stream of events, and these events; the pipeline negotiations; the estrangement between the negotiating parties; the corresponding reaction from the Bushies ( which we see in these revealed memos ), and then the attack on the WTC ... These events are not inconsistent with such a scenario ...

Somewhere in there, John O Neill left the FBI in disgust because the Bush WH restricted his investigations of Al Qaeda and OBL ...

I still resist the idea that they wanted 911 to happen, but I could EASILY believe that they blundered in response to the acrimony that developed ... and tried to scramble in reaction ...
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 01:27 AM
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18. What's the matter with you people?
These were all "historical" documents, they didn't spell out a time place or method. Besides, Dumbya had confidence that the FBI was doing their job, no need to get all inquisitive and stuff. Asking questions cuts into his golfing, fishing and brush clearing duties.
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JawJaw Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:28 AM
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24. Jeeeez...
WTF was Bush waiting for??

An invitation card from Oo-sama with dates, venues,diagrams and dress codes?




Incompetence or malfeasance? Which is it to be, US media? The world wants to know.
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Mithras61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:08 PM
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41. Actually, asking questions isn't in his nature...
Edited on Wed Apr-14-04 03:11 PM by Mithras61
He is quite simply the LEAST curious person I've ever seen. He may, in fact, NOT have known, simply because he wasn't curious enough to pay attention in his briefings, or to get all the way to the bottom of the second page.

Cheney, Rummy, et al, on the other hand, knew and did nothing, IMHO. The evidence is pretty conclusive that they WERE looking for an excuse to ram through the USA PATRIOT Act and to attack Iraq, and several other things that they never would have been allowed to get away with if they didn't have 9/11 to point to as an excuse.

Edited to add the second paragraph.
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 01:31 AM
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19. Man, that rocks - now we need to get this story to become the TOP story
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ibemee Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:00 AM
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20. Maybe he didn't want to stop it...
He had a visit from a Saud family member next day.
EXCERPT: ....we will see whether or not the commission has the stomach to address what may be the single most egregious security lapse related to the attacks: the EVACUATION of approximately 140 SAUDI's just TWO DAYS AFTER 9/11. (WTC still burning ~ SKIES ON LOCKDOWN!)

....Never before in history has a president of the United States had such a close relationship with another foreign power as President Bush and his father have had with the Saudi royal family, the House of Saud. I have traced more than $1.4 billion in investments and contracts that went from the House of Saud over the past 20 years to companies in which the Bushes and their allies have had prominent positions—Harken Energy, Halliburton and the Carlyle Group among them. Is it possible that President Bush himself PLAYED A ROLE in AUTHORIZING THE EVACUATION the evacuation of the Saudis after 9/11? What did he know and when did he know it?

....Let's go back to Sept. 13, 2001, and look at several scenes that were taking place simultaneously. Three thousand people had just been killed. The toxic rubble of the World Trade Center was still ablaze. American airspace was locked down. Not even Bill Clinton and Al Gore, who were out of the country, were allowed to fly home. And a plane bearing a replacement heart for a desperately ill Seattle man was forced down short of its destination by military aircraft.
Craig Unger author: House of Bush, House of Saud MUST READ BOOK!!!
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:01 AM
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21. by not stopping it -gave them reason to attack other coutries esp. IRAQ
by not stopping it -gave them reason to attack other coutries esp. IRAQ

I agree with you ibemee

I believe they ignored it on purpose. At first I thought they might have been part of the plan for it to happen. But now I believe once they found out, they knew if they waited, it could play out in their favor. And it did. They could now go after IRAQ. He wasn't in office but a little over a month when he went and bombed IRAQ.

Even before Bush was appointed, I strongly believe he would get us into a war.

Friends would say he can't do too much with the check and balance system.....well he can, has, and the dems rollover for him on this IRAQ war..... why oh why did they turn over so much power to one person....

By declaring war, it gives the president more powers than he would have otherwise. With the congress stacked with repubs and the justice dept with repubs......we have practically a one party system. We have a very small group of dems to resist the repub machine. That last bill against women's rights, we had 6 dems vote with the repubs. Tom Dasche was one of them.

Since proving they ignored the warning would be difficult consider there really was a lot of historical data leading up to that memo, makes it easy for the man to stand at the podium with a stupid grin on his face while talking about a war that is killing people on both sides that don't deserve to die.

A tough week, that is so outrageously down playing the seriousness of this... with all the data they had on bin laden compared to no data on WMD other than what they gave him the last time rummy was around......it makes no sense because it is the dance of addict, they cause all kinds of chaos to take everyone's attention off of what they don't want anyone to pay attention to.

So while he has everyone up in arms about gays, abortion, etc. His congress is passing laws to take away more and more civil rights and everything FDR started.

I was just at the FDR memorial in DC two saturdays ago. Now there was a great president or so it seems. He started a lot of good programs for the good of the whole. What I did not understand is how did he serve 12 years? My history is off a little.

WE will very fortunate to have him as a president.

I do like Teresa heinz kerry. She is out spoken, believes in lots of progressive values and puts her money and actions behind those, And she speaks five languages. She doesn't have to make up some agenda when she gets to the white house. If anything the crazy politicians will try to make her into Betty Crocker. I hope not...

Well, I am rambling again. It is so nice to have this board. That right side really does scary me a lot with their hidden plans for world domination.

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R Hickey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:19 AM
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23. Thank you for your post 28erl
FDR got to serve 12 years by getting elected once and re-elected three times. They didn't have a law that US Presidents could only have two terms then, they only had the tradition. He died at the beginning of his forth term. Republicans hate the safety nets he set up for everyone.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:54 AM
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36. XXII Amendment.
Edited on Wed Apr-14-04 08:54 AM by RUMMYisFROSTED
nt
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R Hickey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:06 AM
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22. I bought the book last week.
And welcome to DU, ibemee.
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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:29 AM
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38. i thought clinton came back on an AF jet
he was in nyc shortly after 9/11.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 10:02 AM
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40. ibemee, let's not forget the bin Ladens.

That same airplane, a saudi ailines craft I believe, also carried what members of the bin Laden family that were in the US at the time.

Doesn't that bring up a picture for you? Bin Laden had just killed 3000 people, americans and many others, and we provide safe passage for his family? With no interogation of them? Can you say "conspiracy"?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:48 PM
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45. Welcome "ibemee" and "28erl"!!!
:hi:

Welcome to DU

Maybe, together, we can put the pieces of this puzzle together and make a difference!!!!

:bounce:
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:04 AM
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25. These criminals belong in jail n/t
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:22 AM
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27. They have successfully used the flag
to deflect even the supposition of wrongdoing thus far.

They need to be exposed as the traitors to the Constitution that they are!! When the PNAC'ers lose their aura of patriotism they will run for cover like cockroaches.

The mass media will be instrumental in the exposure of these people for the anti-American slimeballs that they are.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:15 AM
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26. well -- we'll see if this goes anywhere
i am soooo skeptical of things that come out of the major media -- and the post can be especially disappointing.
will they set up a critique and then try to rehabilitate?
any way for today this is good news -- but some have known that the info was out there for a long time.
so i guess i should be grateful for the post's revelations when they come out.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:42 AM
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29. A month long vacation
He went on a month long vacation after receiving this intel?

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:52 AM
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31. Wasn't a vacation - he ran for safety
Got out of harm's way. Hid out.
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:48 AM
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30. Oops, ignore
Edited on Wed Apr-14-04 06:49 AM by Concerned GA Voter
I had posted an image, but it was copyrighted...sorry
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 07:16 AM
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33. The failure in intelligence wasn't at the CIA or the FBI
It was in the WH. And the biggest failure in intelligence was Bu$h himself.

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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 07:36 AM
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34. kick (nt)
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:46 AM
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35. How brilliant was it for Cheney to comment that Clarke was out of the loop
in lieu of all this information?
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:23 PM
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42. YOU PEOPLE SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES!
Any halfway decent terrorist would have given the NSA, CIA, FBI, White House and the Pentagon advanced copies of their schedule of activities for that day. At least a week in advance would have sufficed (well maybe a month). Everyone knows that any less specific info. would have made it virtually impossible to act.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:57 PM
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46. *giggle*
I really, REALLY need to grow your kind of sense of humor because nothing other than could float any compassionate person's boat during the floodgates of these times!!!

You are cool!!!
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 07:44 PM
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51. Thank you. I have my moments every now and then. eom
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 04:35 PM
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47. Was Dana the one at the press conference last night?
The one that kept trying to get Bush to answer for the fact he had to meet 9/11 Commission with Cheney?
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 04:39 PM
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48. President's DAILY Brief!!
Has it been bothering anyone else here, that Bush keeps saying that he ASKED for the August 6th PDB??? Hello??? Aren't these things DAILY??? Does he NOT want them on other days? Shouldn't that dufus be reading these.. like.. I don't know.. DAILY???
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 04:59 PM
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50. Web Site for 9/11 Comm. pdf sources for this article
Get 'em before it all gets classified (um, "vetted")

http://www.9-11commission.gov/

The WaPo article's threat warnings are in Staff Statement Number 10.
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