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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:34 PM
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APNewsBreak: Obama abandons wilderness plan
Source: AP/Seattle PI

The Obama administration is backing away from a plan to make millions of acres of undeveloped land in the West eligible for federal wilderness protection.

Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said in a memo to his agency that officials will not designate any public lands as "wild lands." Instead Salazar said the agency will work with members of Congress to develop recommendations for managing millions of acres of undeveloped land in the West. A copy of the memo was obtained by The Associated Press.

Salazar's decision reverses an order issued in December to make millions of acres of public land eligible for wilderness protection. A budget deal approved by Congress prevented the Interior Department from spending money to implement the wilderness policy. Several Western states filed suit to block the plan.

Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/APNewsBreak-Obama-abandons-wilderness-plan-1404818.php
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:36 PM
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1. Uh oh.
That's bad.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:38 PM
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3. I'm with you...
here comes the 'uh oh' squad.

And I think they're wearing flip-flops.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 04:09 PM
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30. can't drill where things are protected. very, very, very, very, very sad
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:37 PM
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Again, tell me about change...knr
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:51 PM
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11. Only change is in
our pockets. Less and less.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:37 PM
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2. Yet another reason not to take anything for granted
Fucking congress blocks Interior from spending money on the plan. I can't express my disgust with Republicans enough, dirty bunch of skidmarks.

A budget deal approved by Congress prevented the Interior Department from spending money to implement the wilderness policy.
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 01:10 PM
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14. Congress includes the Senate Democrats
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:39 PM
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4. President Bill Clinton signed the Roadless Area Conservation Rule. nt
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:48 PM
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10. Keeping roads out is a good strategy. nt
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 12:49 AM
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43. ...until there's a wildfire.
Then, because you don't have a system of firebreaks, the total amount of land destroyed is vastly larger.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 09:52 AM
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49. Oh. I guess letting it all "go back" to the way it was wouldn't work because
Edited on Thu Jun-02-11 09:54 AM by patrice
so much of the larger context in which that would happen has changed too . . . ?

I wish it was possible to let at least some wild places be just what they actually are. Screw the systems of firebreaks. Burnt land isn't destroyed, it just isn't "useful" to us in the manner that we demand of it, right?

Maybe it would be good for Earth and us if there were just ONE thing that wasn't measured by man's values, one thing that did not exist or survive due to our "good graces", or due to our forbearance. Maybe Gaia actually is that thing, but she doesn't speak in words we can hear until we have passed the point of no return.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 05:08 PM
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52. Sure, if we kill all humans, it can "go back" to being just as violent, cruel, and ugly as it was.
We're the first species (that we know of) even trying to do anything about it. Gaia wiped out the last 99% of all species that have lived here, because, well, nature is fundamentally evil (if not in motive, in action).
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:55 AM
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55. We don't prevent forest fires because we are trying to prevent cruelty
We do it because we want to use those lands for our own desires. In doing so, we are also "violent, cruel, and ugly" to the species that are dependent on burnt-over land, such as jack pines and Kirtland warblers, sometimes to the point that we drive them to near-extinction through fire suppression programs.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 07:16 PM
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56. We are part of nature, too.
I guess that's the take-away.
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 07:01 AM
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54. Wildfire IS natural.
Preventing wildfire with a system of firebreaks is unnatural and causes more damage when it eventually burns.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 07:18 PM
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57. Extinguishing species and devastating lands for other species is, as well, then...?
Either humans, and their actions, are natural, or they aren't, no?
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 07:22 AM
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59. Sorry, what exactly is your point?
Since you appear to be advocating for adding roads to wilderness areas for the purposes of fighting forest fires, is it your contention that we should actively be extinguishing species and devasting their lands?

If you want to define all actions of humans as natural, fine. We finally have a location for storing nuclear and other hazardous waste, your back yard. I'll pull into your yard, the tire tracks are natural, pull the oil pan plug, drain the oil onto your front yard (don't worry, it will soak in and it's natural) and complete the oil change by tossing the empty bottles, used filter and packaging from the new one around your yard. It's all good and natural. Then, since that Big Gulp and Burrito from the gas station are weighing me down a bit, I'll seek some relief in the landscaping next to your front door. We are still good, right? After all, anything we do is natural.

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frebrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:39 PM
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5. Gee, what a surprise!
:grr:
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:43 PM
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6. I'm going into bad-news overload.. is there anything he hasn't backed away from?
Just read about how he abandoned any chance of a WPA-style jobs program. How he rubber stamped 4 more years of illegal searches under the Patriot Act. How he visited Joplin and then went and played Golf? I mean...

It's getting hard to keep up the facade....
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 01:13 PM
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15. Goldman Sachs and the Bankster Brethern
they're BFF
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 01:50 PM
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20. I'm surprised there isn't a video clip of Obama doing Michael Jacksons' moonwalk yet. nt.
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Shining Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 04:02 AM
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44. "How he visited Joplin and then went and played Golf?"
Now, watch this drive.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:45 PM
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7. A Republican Senator from Utah has placed a hold on Obama's nominee to head U.S. Fish and Wildlife.
...and he made it clear it was a response to Interior's "wild lands" policies.

I am hopeful for a language makeover that will allow Sen. Lee to save face, or whatever he needs to shut up, and big "W" Wilderness designations to continue.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 10:21 PM
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39. So what? How many of Obama's nominees are being held up? I'd rather see
a hold on the head of Fish and Wildlife than see this plan abandoned. And a hold is no reason to abandon the plan entirely anyway.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 12:32 AM
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42. Vitter just released a hold, per another LBN thread. Yep, it was about oil.
"NEW ORLEANS — U.S. Sen. David Vitter says he will release his hold on Dan Ashe, the president’s nominee to head the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

The Louisiana Republican said Wednesday that he made the move after the U.S. Department of the Interior issued its 15th deepwater petroleum exploration well permit, following the end of the deepwater moratorium in the Gulf of Mexico."
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 07:30 AM
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47. "Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah., has also placed a hold on Ashe's nomination..."
"... because of his concerns about Interior's "wild lands" policy."

Link: http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/06/boemres_issues_15th_permit_sen.html

Battle vs. War. Nothing wrong with "abandoning" a policy -- flawed, I'd add, not strong enough to withstand Congress -- to re-tool and come from a different direction for the same goals.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:46 PM
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8. "Development"??? Wild PARKS? Camping & Hiking in the wild. Low impact uses, such as
walking trails and small places to eat & to buy crafts/bookstores and community/state education resources, to teach Wilderness info & skills.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:48 PM
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9. Almost every move by the President is the wrong one for most
Americans. nt
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:53 PM
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12. So are our natural resources the trade off for keeping Medicare?
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 01:59 PM
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22. what, you think we get to keep Medicare?
Such optimism!
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 05:01 PM
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31. first round
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 07:54 PM
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34. We're the majority. We don't need to "trade" anything for anything
we could strongarm the GOP the way BushCo did the Dems...if we had the stomach for it.
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 01:01 PM
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13. Another "caving in"?
...*SIGH*...

So they will end up in the "drill baby drill" groups hands some day?

Dems...where the HELL are your spines?!?
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 01:17 PM
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16. dissapointing...
Edited on Wed Jun-01-11 01:17 PM by fascisthunter
AGAIN... this country is fucked, and things will get worse unless we get a real fucking President who has the balls to get shit done.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 09:26 PM
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36. You seem to be assuming that he wanted to get this done, but didn't have the
strength. I don't know if that's a safe assumption.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 01:26 PM
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17. What... did they find oil out there?
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blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 01:29 PM
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18. Face palm....
Not again!
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 02:07 PM
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25. Really.. it is facepalm time...lol
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 01:48 PM
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19. kr
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 01:55 PM
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21. "". . . managing millions of acres of undeveloped land in the West."
Doesn't sound too good.

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JJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 02:05 PM
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23. That's change
Edited on Wed Jun-01-11 02:09 PM by JJW
A total opposite of what candidate Obama ran for. You can't blame the GOP for everything, Obama and still be the President.

Anyone notice how this little secret agreement was hidden from we the people, while Obama was running around the Lincoln Memorial saying he had reached a historic agreement with the GOP.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 02:07 PM
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24. ...
oy:eyes:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 02:13 PM
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26. Sigh. How very conservative of him.
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gadjitfreek Donating Member (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 02:41 PM
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27. President Obama...the best Republican president we've had in ten years. n/t
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okasha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 05:05 PM
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32. Not even that.
n/t
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 03:43 PM
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28. Chalk Up another VICTORY for Obama's DLC New Team!!!!
:party:


The DLC New Team
Chamber of Commerce APPROVED!

(Screen Capped from the DLC Website)

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=254886&kaid=86&subid=85

These lands can NOT be designated "Wilderness".
Ya GOT ta have some way to get the Drilling Rigs, Timber "Harvesters", and Mineral Extraction teams in
if BIG Corporations are going to plunder Public Resources for Personal Profit!!!
Its the "Uniquely American Solution".


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will stand up for working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone



"By their works you will know them."


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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 10:25 PM
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40. DLCers may just comprise the most liberal part of this administration.
Edited on Wed Jun-01-11 10:33 PM by No Elephants
For example, Gates and Geithner are Republicans and the newer the crop of Democrats, the more right they seem to be.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 10:34 AM
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50. Very very sad but true. DLC'rs are too far right for us to vote for yet
when measured against the group in the WH they are the most Liberal.

Disgusting.
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Akoto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 03:47 PM
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29. "Several Western states filed suit to block the plan."
Just wanted to point that out, before we lay it all at the president's feet.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 09:35 PM
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37. Please. So, several states filed suit. So what? No one won a suit yet.
The Obama administration has fought and won many court suits.

Granted, few of those were for things I wanted, but there is no reason to assume that mere filing of a suits is enough to block Obama from something he wants to do.

What a country this would be if all the other side had to do to block the President and Congress was to get a few of its Governors to file a lawsuit.
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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 06:35 PM
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33. News writers likely have the phrase "Obama abandons" on a hot key by now.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 09:06 PM
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35. :(
Not happy to hear that news. :(
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 09:53 PM
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38. I realized last year
that Obama genuinely does not give a shit about the environment.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 07:28 AM
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46. Sad but true. (n/t)
:-(
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 11:44 PM
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41. This shouldn't surprise anyone...
Any initiative, policy or law that limits the oligarchy's ability to make a profit is pretty much DOA. Big corporations rule the roost, everywhere, period.

By "managing" I'm sure that means leasing out lands to big energy for pennies per acre so they can drill the shit out of it and reap insane profits.
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Mr. Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 07:24 AM
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45. It sounds like he was stopped by congress and the states.
which are some of the most corrupt institutions in the country right about now.
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Township75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 08:14 AM
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48. We know Obama couldn't be at fault as long as their is a Republican somewhere.
Why wasn't this passed in 2008-2010 when Dems dominated everything?
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 03:13 PM
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51. I'm kicking this. Read within to find out why.
Edited on Thu Jun-02-11 03:14 PM by Robb
I have been saying over and over, the "liberal" media is not here to help.

The "plan" referred to here is Secretarial Order 3310, acknowledged by a single post in December and but six DUers replying to it. In in, Salazar directed the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) to "...use the public resource management planning process to gather public input and designate certain lands with wilderness characteristics as 'Wild Lands.'"

OK.

So in April, Congress passed the appropriations act ("Department of Defense and Full-Year Continuing Appropriations Act of 2011") which SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED use of any federal funds therein appropriated "to implement, administer or enforce Secretarial Order 3310."

Now then. Tell me why, when the first line of Interior's press release ("obtained by the AP" sounds much more exciting, but there you have it) says "pursuant to the 2011 Continuing Resolution," it's not mentioned that Congress had a thing to do with this until the article got a rewrite (now at the link, used to be just these three paragraphs) and even then quite obliquely in the fourth paragraph??

(edited for grammar)
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 05:51 AM
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53. Well that will make his corporate masters happy.
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John_Adams Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 11:05 PM
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58. Not a bad idea...What he needs is an economic plan.
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