Middle school boys charged in alleged rape attempt

Source: San Francisco Chronicle

(06-14) 19:16 PDT REDWOOD CITY -- Five boys ages 12 to 14 have been charged with trying to rape two 12-year-old girls during a Redwood City school field trip, a case the district attorney called unprecedented in his three-plus decades as a prosecutor.

The alleged attack happened when 20 students from Kennedy Middle School went on a social studies class field trip to Stulsaft Park in Redwood City, accompanied by their teacher, two chaperones and an assistant, San Mateo County prosecutors said Tuesday.

At some point during the trip, the boys took the two seventh-grade girls to a secluded area and assaulted them for five to eight minutes, District Attorney Steve Wagstaffe said.

"What makes this case stand out for me is the age," Wagstaffe said. "Twelve, 13, 14 - that's really horrific.

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DA Wagstaffe said further (cut off due to 4-paragraph limit) that he never saw such a case involving children of this age in his career. What on earth would encourage those kids to do such a thing?

It seems like the news on the school front gets worse every day. Glad my children are all out of high school now.

Left to their own, they can be monsters. Which is why they shouldn't be left to their own.

I was the kid who couldn't hurt a fly. Kids are NOT naturally violent unless they have some underlying mental problem.

Kids as young as 10 years old start showing serious signs of being sociopaths, killers. Some even younger. Is that a mental illness? Sure it is! But it is a mental illness that doesn't discriminate by age, after a kid is allowed to hang with other kids or lousy parents.

so there is nothing to discuss with you.

I'm afraid being a child does not in and of itself constitute the full meaning of the word Sociopath.

"...a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood."

They don't understand or care about the rights of others. That has to be taught. So yes, we're all born sociopaths. Some grow out of it.

Nice broad-based bashing, though.

sociopathy isn't an insult. It's a description of a kind mind wherein the rights of others are not factored into decisions.

You left out a relevant stool-leg of the definition-- it also requires a pervasive pattern which begins in childhood, and maintains itself until and through adulthood.




Quite often, the absence of a necessary and relevant factor may be explained merely by oversight...

I don't doubt that a fair number of them carry weapons around when they aren't in school. Many of them are in gangs. I laugh every time when a poster here says something about police or a teacher mistreating a 12 year-old. They are capable of theft, assault, murder, and rape.

This is not an exaggeration: Most kids in my neighborhood were ignorant, savage thugs. Why?
The common thread was poverty and uncaring, scumbag parents (drunks, junkies, lazy slobs, criminals).

That's one of the sickest things I've heard reported.

Very sad.

Today I witnessed Rush blaming women who are liberal on the bad behavior of male politicians..

internet porn is playing a huge role in teaching violence against women --

especially sexual violence.

And certainly 14 year old males are watching this stuff --

Look at TV and the unbelievable amount of crap demonizing women -- they are

the new "bad guys" --

that is when they're not cleaning toilet bowls -- and singing about it!!



:evilgrin:


Patriarchy and violence are mirror images of one another --

they couldn't rise without it -- and they can't hold power without it --

When they can exploit women, they are exploiting more than half of the population --

and they remove a layer of protection from children, as well!

These are people who would re-enslave children in child labor --


These things don't make sense to most of us -- those who want to gain control over

others have to wake up with that thought on their minds every day --

So imo it's quite a difficult conclusion for many to come to about them --


:)

Maybe the boys suspected of this crime didn't have dads.

Internet porn did not exist then. So what is your evidence that internet porn is causing sexual violence?

and worldwide -- rape is down? :rofl:

United Nations has confirmed that RAPE is a weapon of war --

and Gaddafi has just pulled that tool of the toolbox again supplying his

"fighters" with Viagra and condoms!

That is just plain dumb.

And rape as a weapon of war is completely new. Just ask the Sabine women or the millions of german ladies who had to get abortions after berlin fell in 1945.

and ALL caused by the internet.

and even when reported, it is still under prosecuted --

Just look to Sarah Palin's Alaska -- where she was making victims of rape pay

for the rape kits!!

RAPE as a weapon of war is as old as male violence --

What I said was that the United had CONFIRMED that rape is a weapon of war.

The internet -- and the tens of billions every year in profits from internet porn --

are becoming points of addiction for males -- including many as young as 14.

What porn mainly teaches is disrespect for women -- and that females are "whores."

The violence and themes of domination play out as examples of what life should be

like for males --

Everyday, TV is selling new themes of violence --

Right wing cannot rise or hold power with violence -- and over the lasdt 40 years

has worked to create violent images of our society and fear of one citizen for another.

That's what the drug war is about in part -- and it's what creating an underclass is

about in part -- others citizens who are to be feared!

"Look at TV and the unbelievable amount of crap demonizing women -- they are

the new "bad guys" --

that is when they're not cleaning toilet bowls -- and singing about it!!
"


You mean the thousands of commercials where the dad is a bumbling moron and must constantly be saved by the mom who is clearly more intelligent, more attractive, and more sensible than her husband? Those?

(c) 1991.

Just FYI.


TG

Why are they grabbing each other...

The Redwood City School District said all the students involved were part of a newcomer program at the middle school, which means they have only been in the U.S. for less than a year.

http://www.ktvu.com/news/28227892/detail.html

I used to work for the security company that protects that school. It's a poor neighborhood and there have been decades of neglect. The biggest bust I ever had was in that school district, 11 kids destroying their school library.

I don't know what the answer is but this district has had problems for the last 30 years.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_18149755?nclick_check=1
http://redwoodcity.patch.com/articles/protestors-rally-in-redwood-city-to-support-schools


Redwood City School district has slashed $15 million in the past eight years to compensate for state funding reductions and more cuts are on the table.

"The big issue is the erosion of programs over time," Jack said. "Ten years ago, we had librarians at every school, we had nurses, we had social workers on staff, we had resources teachers for students who were struggling. Today, not so much."

that's exactly what they learn.

dragged her from her car at a busy L.A. intersection on a sunny August afternoon, twisted her hair and threw her to the ground, pistol whipped her face violently, thrust the gun into her left eye and put two slugs through her brain.

I can believe anything you tell me about 14 year olds. Anything about people whatsoever.

What an awful way to die. And I am sorry you have to carry that image with you. Just horrible! :hug:

what I'm not burdened with is illusions.

at my junior high school, back in the '70s. But the case was handled between the school, the kids, and their parents.

were more than capable. :(

Also we have 14 year old males watching internet porn -- which gives them a

very distorted sense of human sexuality -- and a heavy dose of brutality against

women --

Yup.

Horrid:


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110614/us_nm/us_crime_pornography_children

A corporate lawyer, an architect and at least two dozen others were arrested when police smashed a child pornography ring that traded images of sexual assault "the way others trade baseball cards," Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance said on Tuesday.

Children as young as 1 year old were depicted being raped and sexually abused in tens of thousands of photographs and videos seized at the culmination of the five-month investigation, Vance said at a press conference.

"These images are not pornography...These images are babies and children and toddlers being raped and sexually exploited," Vance said.

"These images were disseminated on the internet, feeding the appetites of pedophiles seeking new victims," he said.

:grr:

The kids I went to school with all listened to country music and I could think of more than a dozen of them that were capable of this kind of thing at that age and four that I know of that actually did it around age fifteen or so. Of course this was rural white kids, so the girls were pretty much told to suck it up before they ruined those poor boy's lives. All four of them are in prison now for rapes that happened over the course of the next decade.

It isn't rap music, it's kids that learn there are zero consequences as long as society approves of your choice of victims.

you are correct, sir.:cry:

Loving kindness, compassion, respect for others...
Of course, they must be treated with kindness, compassion, and respect in order for them to develop these qualities in themselves.

I almost blame lack of Fathers in the home.

This kind of stuff doesn't happen as much in a two-parent household.

Welcome to DU, Heretofor.

Thanks!

Yeah, from a lot of what I have read, a strong presence of a father in the home goes a lot farther in establishing how a child turns out.

And I think that it's more or less proven that long-term marriage works best for society, anyway. They're more prosperous across the board, raise kids better, and take less from society.

to single mothers yet those countries have demonstrably lower crime rates and the highest "quality of life" satisfaction ratings on the planet.

(I'm actually responding to both you and heretofor).

I'd guess there's a greater factor than the lack of a male father in the household, or a two parent household and that's poverty. Using the Scandinavian example again, their poverty rates are virtually nil. As semi-Socialist countries they have extremely well protected social safety nets.

I believe that US society is sick. Fear, poverty, and desperation grind on adults, its worse for children.

Rape is a crime of control and power. Those 14 yr old boys were desperately trying to find a way to wield some kind of power and control over something. Our US patriarchal society diminishes girls/women to the degree that perhaps the boys were acting out messages they have had imprinted since birth.

those are the things I've taught my daughter.

Last night we were reading to peanut, she's 4, a book....it was from the tv show "olivia". In that book, Olivia's brother used the word "hate". My daughter asked me what it meant. I was sad to explain it, but I don't want her growing up ignorant to the hate in this world either...on top of being saddened to have to explain it to her, I was thinking "why the fuck is a book aimed at this age group using the word, hate?

I just also finished watching the Sri Lanka's Killing Fields video posted here...pure hate. I'm disgusted with humanity at the moment.

I found that, on considering the word, I couldn't think of anything I really hated. There are a number of things I don't care for, and still more that I can leave or take. But hate is such a strong word that it almost seems like a disorder rather than an honest feeling.

In my zeal to expel "hate" from the vocabulary, I'd say things like, "Don't pick your nose...It's disgusting." So one evening, when my 3 year old was avoiding his spinach, I asked him to at least try a bite. He replied, matter-of-factly, "No...It's disgustin'"

A few simple moves could bring a whole lot of hurt and stop most, if not all such attacks long enough for a girl to flee.

Of course, I believe parents of boys should do the same. I've heard enough stories about sick mf perverts out there waiting to kidnap kids... and worse.

in Ector County, Texas, last year, along with one 11 year old.

We shall see if their story hold up....Sounds fishy

blame the victim mentality which leads to protecting this kind of shit in the first place.

I'm sure it will be asked and answered in court. I suppose the defense lawyers will be "blaming the victims," too?

and here we have 7 of them allegedly involved.

:shrug: Not to condone the kids behavior at all, but middle school students do very stupid stuff. You need enough chaperones and activities to keep the kids engaged, and not just let them go off and do their own thing in a park.

Twenty kids with four adults should be adequate supervision, yet they lost track of seven of them. What were those adults doing?

there had been a few suspensions, a couple sick, a few at appointments. The class seemed almost empty with 8 gone out of 25 kids. And this was 7 out of 20????? :wtf:

Do any of these boys have functional father figures in their lives?

I remember very well my dad telling me in so many words, when I was about 13, that when a girl says "no" it means "NO!" He explained to me the consequences of bad behavior toward people in general, particularly the importance of treating women and girls with respect.

Because the suspects are juveniles, we'll probably never get to know anything about them.

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...is what most middle school kids are, including mine when they were that age.

But as far as the DA having "never seen such a thing," he needs to drive a school bus for awhile. I have a friend who drives middle schoolers in the San Diego area, and the stories he tells me would probably curl Mr. Wagstaffe's hair. This is sometimes with chaperones on board! He does not tolerate a lot of cr@p though, and the more or less good kids appreciate that.