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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 02:46 PM
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Convicted sex predator freed without restrictions
Source: San Francisco Chronicle

(06-17) 12:13 PDT BAY POINT -- Convicted sexual predator Cary Verse was ordered released without any restrictions by a Contra Costa County judge today.

Verse, 40, is to be released within three days from Coalinga State Hospital. His commitment at the hospital had expired, and prosecutors did not file a petition to keep him in custody because at least two of four psychologists appointed by the state found that he was no longer a sexually violent predator, said his attorney, Deputy Public Defender Laurie Mont.

Deputy District Attorney David Brown said, "Doctors say what they say. I don't necessarily agree with their opinions."

Verse, who waived his right to be at today's hearing in Martinez, served three years in prison for sexually assaulting a man at a homeless shelter and six years at Atascadero State Hospital. He was conditionally released from the hospital in 2004.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/06/17/BA0L1JVC1O.DTL
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 02:54 PM
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1. Fucking brilliant
:argh:
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 03:56 PM
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2. It Is Unclear, Sir, What the Problem Is Supposed To Be Here
The man was convicted of a crime, and served the sentence he was given. He was required to then continue a course of psychiatric treatment, which he has done to the satisfaction of even prosecution specialists.
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Dont call me Shirley Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 03:58 PM
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3. The problem is sexual predators a NEVER cured.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 04:10 PM
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4. I would like your source of information for that statistic.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 04:18 PM
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5. So We May Place You, Sir, In The 'Bullet Through the Head' Camp?
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 09:57 AM
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25. Sorry, wrong.
I find most sex crimes abhorrent, as do most people.

But you are wrong - I learned when working for DHS that recidivism, with treatment, is statistically very low.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 10:25 AM
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26. That's the mentality that puts kids on lists for life.
Like the high-school student now facing sexual assault charges because he was caught in a yearbook photo feeling up his date, and the other kids who have that yearbook being threatened with child porn charges just for having that yearbook.

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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 07:32 PM
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17. two words: phillip garrido
nuff said!
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 07:52 PM
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19. This Seems To Be Some Strange New Meaning For The Word 'Enough', Sir
Why you think you have made a point, or even that you have a point, quite escapes me.

As near as your comment can be understood, it boils down to saying 'Person X did something extraordinarily bad, and so person Z should be in a mental hospital for life.'
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 08:34 AM
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24. Thank you. nt
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buckrogers1965 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 04:39 PM
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6. Unlimited detention without a sentence is unconstitutional.
I don't have a problem with locking up sexual predators for life, but the law has to be passed and they have to be convicted and sentenced under the law. This extra legal bull crap is just so the executive branch can grab more and more power.

Can we not let our hysterical fears allow the powers that be to ignore the law?
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 04:48 PM
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7. Exactly, Sir
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 05:08 PM
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11. SCOTUS ruled otherwise in US v. Comstock, a 7-2 decision last year
Edited on Fri Jun-17-11 05:08 PM by alp227
"The federal law at issue in the case allows the government to continue to detain prisoners who had engaged in sexually violent conduct, suffered from mental illness and would have difficulty controlling themselves. If the government is able to prove all of this to a judge by “clear and convincing” evidence — a heightened standard, but short of “beyond a reasonable doubt” — it may hold such prisoners until they are no longer dangerous or a state assumes responsibility for them." --NY Times, "Extended Civil Commitment of Sex Offenders Is Upheld"

Elena Kagan, then the Obama-appointed solicitor general, represented the government's case for that law. Both Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia dissented; Thomas wrote: "The fact that the federal government has the authority to imprison a person for the purpose of punishing him for a federal crime — sex-related or otherwise — does not provide the government with the additional power to exercise indefinite civil control over that person."
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 05:16 PM
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13. Wow, I agree with Thomas and Scalia
Edited on Fri Jun-17-11 05:16 PM by rpannier
I can't think of the last time that happened that wasn't 9-0
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buckrogers1965 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 06:11 PM
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15. Sadly, SCOTUS is wrong about unlawful detention.
As I said, all they have to do is pass a law that provides a life sentence for sex crimes and they would be 100% legal.

Ask yourself why they choose not to do so. They love having the power to imprison enemies of the state for life without charge.

Detaining people without charging them with a specific crime is unconstitutional. There is no room for pre-crime in the American legal system.
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lookingforbear Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 06:01 PM
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14. Yes!!
Unconstitutional! A horrible miscarriage of justice. I was so upset that I googled the guy. There were lots of articles detailing re-arrests for YEARS! They are persecuting him! Here's a snip from one article:

In 2007, he was pulled over in Walnut Creek for a broken taillight and police found a 14-year-old boy in his car. Because all of Verse's offenses had been committed against males, two of whom were 14-year-old boys, he was forbidden to have any male passengers in his car.

While there was no evidence that Verse had any sexual contact with the boy, the violation was considered serious and Verse was sent back to the mental hospital for six months.


http://www.ktvu.com/news/27003626/detail.html

So wrong, so wrong.

Do I need the sarcasm alert?
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 06:33 PM
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16. Sounds Like The Last Actual Crime was Committed Nineteen Years Ago, Sir
And all but one before he was out of his teens.

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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 09:39 PM
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20. The overall recidivism rate for rearrests for sex offenses
is about 6% within 5 years, and most offending occurs within that first 5 years. For each year the person is free without reoffending, his likelihood of additional sexual offenses decreases. In the specific case of those whose sex offenses are all in the teen years or early adulthood, the rate of later sexual recidivism is substantially lower than that. These data are well-replicated in the relevant scientific literature.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 10:21 PM
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22. Are You Trying, Sir, To Put Facts In the Way Of A Bracing Bout Of Hysteria Over Sex Crimes?
That will never do....
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 06:44 PM
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27. So right you are to call me on that.
The only way I can imagine that might come close to making amends would be for me to recant in public, start sending pictures of my wrinkled anatomy around the Internet and then deny it when it's uncovered. That should suffice to discredit me and my original message, and simultaneously distract the media hounds from the nasty little truth I let slip.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-11 01:32 PM
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28. Well Get To It, Sir....
Some fellas want to rack the pump....
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-11 04:03 PM
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30. indeed. nt
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 04:53 PM
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8. He's on the sex offender registry, isn't that a restriction?
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 07:33 PM
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18. so was phillip garrido
lot of good that did. :eyes:
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 07:27 AM
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23. I'm not arguing the effectiveness of the registry or whether appropriate in this case.
Only that it's false to say "without restrictions" when there is, in fact, a restriction.
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buckrogers1965 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 05:06 PM
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9. Dup
Edited on Fri Jun-17-11 05:09 PM by buckrogers1965
Sorry, browser hiccuped.
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buckrogers1965 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 05:06 PM
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10. dup
Edited on Fri Jun-17-11 05:07 PM by buckrogers1965
Dup
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LetTimmySmoke Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 05:15 PM
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12. Cary Verse is all ready to fly to the Vatican and get himself ordained.
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 09:42 PM
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21. And yet a non-violent marijuana user remains in prison.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-11 04:01 PM
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29. and yet non-violent drug 'offenders' sit in prison...nt
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