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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 09:29 AM
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Supreme Court Limits Wal-Mart Sex Bias Case
Edited on Mon Jun-20-11 09:30 AM by Poll_Blind
Source: ABC News

The Supreme Court has ruled for Wal-Mart in its fight to block a massive sex discrimination lawsuit on behalf of women who work there.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=13884356



Breaking, so short article. Unanimous decision. Click on the link to read the rest, just a few paragraphs.

PB
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 09:50 AM
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1. I'm sure Clarance Thomas did not just give away his vote.
He probably got a pretty penny from Wal-Mart 1st.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 10:27 AM
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2. And just how much
do you suppose the other 7 Justices got for voting the way they did in this UNANIMOUS decision?
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 10:34 AM
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4. I think Clarence Thomas is perfectly capable of joining terrible rulings without being bribed.
He's so cheap he does it for free--like the other conservatives.
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savannah43 Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 10:50 AM
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6. He's so stupid, he does as he's told.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 12:39 PM
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53. He's a lot of bad things
Stupid isn't one of them.
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 03:42 PM
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58. But he's black and conservative - he must be stoopid....n/t
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 10:32 AM
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3. It's unanimous in the judgment, but 5-4 on the (or at least a) key issue.
No points for guessing the vote breakdown.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:13 AM
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43. Toobin: High Court addressed only class size, not discrimination, in Wal-Mart suit
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/20/toobin-high-court-addressed-only-class-size-not-discrimination-in-wal-mart-suit/

The Supreme Court on Monday put the brakes on a massive job discrimination lawsuit against Wal-Mart. The suit was the largest class-action suit in U.S. history – and, says Jeffrey Toobin, CNN's senior legal analyst, therein lies the problem.

snip

He said the class-action status – potentially involving hundreds of thousands of female workers – was too large.

"The Supreme Court has basically said this is too big a case," Toobin said. "The facts are so different regarding each of the plaintiffs that it’s not fair to Wal-Mart to lump them into one case."

The decision in Wal-Mart Stores Inc. v. Dukes (10-277) did not represent the usual political divisions within the high court, Toobin said. The nine justices simply thought the class was too big under the rules governing class-action suits.

"The decision was 5-4, in part, but it was basically unanimous that the case had to be thrown out," Toobin said, adding that the court did not rule on whether Wal-Mart had ever discriminated.......................

snip
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Stumbler Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 12:46 PM
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54. Eh-wha...? Doesn't this mean the case is 'too big to fail'?
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nineteen50 Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 03:20 PM
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57. lawsuit
It's not that Wal-mart is too big to fail, it’s that the
Supreme Court feels that women are too small for them to care.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 09:34 PM
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64. "...it was basically unanimous that the case had to be thrown out,"
....Obama appointing two Liberals to the Supreme Court has really paid-off for Wal-Marts' female employees....
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savannah43 Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 10:49 AM
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5. Stop shopping at Mal-Wart.
To take a concept from the opposition: Starve the Beast!
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 09:27 PM
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63. And if there's nowhere else for you to shop...
like is the case in quite a few communities?

And don't mention Costco--very few people need a whole case of toilet paper. I don't even know where I'd put it--my place is pretty small.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
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7. Supreme Court rules for Wal-Mart in massive job discrimination lawsuit
Source: CNN

The Supreme Court put the brakes on a massive job discrimination lawsuit against mega-retailer Wal-Mart Stores, Inc., saying sweeping class-action status that could potentially involve hundreds of thousands of current and former female workers was simply too large.

The ruling Monday was a big victory for the nation's largest private employer, and the business community at large.

The high-profile case– perhaps the most closely watched of the high court's term– is among the most important dealing with corporate versus worker rights that the justices have ever heard, and could eventually impact nearly every private employer, large and small.

The case is Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. v. Dukes (10-277).

Read more: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/20/supreme-court-rules-for-wal-mart-in-massive-job-discrimination-lawsuit/
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
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8. It should be pointed out that the SC never ruled on the actual discrimination merits.
The Supreme Court is not considering the merits of the Walmart suit -- whether there actually was any discrimination. Instead it is deciding whether the women should be allowed to sue as a class -- which would include 1.5 million plaintiffs.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Consumer-Corner/2011/06/19/Consumer-Corner-Prof-says-emphasis-on-price-allowed-discrimination-to-flourish-at-Walmart/UPI-95971308472260/#ixzz1PpKAwUfo
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
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16. TOO LARGE TO SUE
WHAT A CROCK
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
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18. Not in this case. A lot of people were piggy backing on without the same merits as the original
Edited on Mon Jun-20-11 10:08 AM by still_one
grievance from those women affected

That is why all the justices rejected it


This does NOT invalidate those women who have a case, and they can and should bring suit

It rules on grouping all the cases in the same commonality


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janet118 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:08 AM
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39. That's fine except . . .
The more clients, the more likely you will be able to retain an attorney or firm who can afford to take on a giant corporation. If the corporation can pick off the individual plaintiffs one by one, there is virtually no chance against the unending delays and legal games corporations can play to ruin their opponents.

That's why you always hear the GOP complaining about "plaintiff's attorneys" and not "corporate attorneys."

The Supreme Court didn't just give Walmart a pass - Monsanto and Alcoa will love this.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #16
47. I agree.. Isn't that what "class action" is all about???
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #7
9. Too big of a crime to sue
Is it fascism yet?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #9
10. That is hardly what...
the decision says.
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #9
22. Yeah. Sotomayor, Kagan and Ginsburg are *fascists*
You do know it was a 9-0 decision?
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #22
24. Sotomayor recused, but yes, your sentiment is accurate.
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plumbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:08 AM
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36. Not quite so simple as 9-0.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-20/wal-mart-wins-u-s-supreme-court-gender-discrimination-class-action-case.html

The court ruled unanimously on some aspects of the case and divided on others. Four justices -- Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan -- said they would have returned the case to a lower court and let the workers try to press ahead with a class action under a different legal theory.

“The court, however, disqualifies the class from the starting gate,” Ginsburg wrote.



Am I surprised? No. I'll be surprised if any of the plaintiffs see a dime ever. In fact, Wally will probably turn around and sue THEM for court costs and so on, further chilling any more lawsuits of this type against a big company, ever.


Best government money can buy.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
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11. Doesn't say the "score"...I bet 5-4...nt
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pepperbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
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12. you won't like this.....
The court ruled unanimously Monday that the lawsuit against Wal-Mart Stores Inc. cannot proceed as a class action, reversing a decision by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco. The lawsuit could have involved up to 1.6 million women, with Wal-Mart facing potentially billions of dollars in damages.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts-law/supreme-court-blocks-huge-sex-bias-lawsuit-by-women-who-work-at-wal-mart/2011/06/20/AGIbxpcH_story.html?hpid=z1
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
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21. The problem was that the original case had merits, not ALL the 1.6 million who were just jumping on
Edited on Mon Jun-20-11 10:08 AM by still_one
to collect without documentation

The lawyers did this very badly.

This does NOT invalidate those women who have a case, and they can and should bring suit

It rules on grouping all the cases in the same commonality
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #21
46. Yet that important point will be missed by many.
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sweetapogee Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #11
20. 8-0
8-0
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #11
32. They unanimously denied certification, but split 5-4 on the grounds.
With the obvious vote breakdown.
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montanacowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
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13. This will put the brakes on the women
bringing the case again with a more narrow focus - don't know why their attorneys did not see this coming, the case was way too wide and covering too much. Also said that each WalMart has the discretion to set their own rules, handy for WalMart huh?
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #7
14. And the corporate aristocracy wins again. I wonder how much Clarance Thomas got
from Wal-Mart for voting in their favor?
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leftyohiolib Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #14
15. well the washington post said the ruling was unanimous so .....
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #15
23. This ruling was based on commonality, how they cannot be grouped together.
IT does NOT invalidate those women who have a case, and they can and should bring suit
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leftyohiolib Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #23
37. well that's for the lawyers to sort out. i hope they sue walmart out of existence
i was replying to post 7 in respect to clarence thomas(who deserve NO respect). it wasn't a 5-4 decision.
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janburns96 Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #37
56. Not the right solution!
While I hate the greedy anti-worker walmart corporate overlords forcing them out of business will mean millions more in lost jobs. What we need to do is to get the unions in there to represent the workers. We need card check to make sure the employees are not being itimidated by the corporate overlord pigs. Once the unions are there they can help the employees force the corporate pigs to pay living wages and benefits and work to take the 100s of millions of profits away from the greedy wall street shills and perhaps force all walmarts to be employee owned and operated.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
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25. The suits will need to be brought separately.
The ruling doesn't harm their ability to sue, they just need to break the lawsuits into smaller, more accurate groups.

Varying levels of harm were inflicted, it is not appropriate to lump them all together. This is not a dismissal in the sense they cannot sue again.

This is not 'in wal-mart's favor', technically, since the various suits will hang over the company for a lot longer, and will likely impact stock price/etc for a long time to come.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
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27. And then Wal-Mart will appeal for another ruling
Saying that it can't possibly be expected to defend against all these disparate suits, and request relief from the courts to consolidate several of the suits, lumping in big ticket claimants with small dollar claimants, then proposing a global settlement that includes attorney fees, reducing the pot of money available to all claimants. Meanwhile, the employees that were screwed out of pay and benefits will just keep getting older and poorer.

A jolly game. Hey, have you seen the latest Wal-Mart ad about the woman who started working there when she was 19 and preggers, and now just 14 years later is a store manager? It's the feel-good story of the year!
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #27
40. +1, spot-on prediction
"Meanwhile, the employees that were screwed out of pay and benefits will just keep getting older and poorer."


at some very real point in time, justice delayed is truly justice denied

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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #25
42. Well, that's our justice system for you.
Fucked up no matter how you measure it.
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #7
17. Unanimous ruling...
SCOTUS smacked down the 9th circuit pretty hard here.
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #7
19. Justice for Sale
If you join with others having a similar complaint you may not be permitted to bring suit as a group.

If you try to bring suit on your own you may not be able to find an attorney who will take the case on a contingency (they speculate they either will not prevail or will not recover enough $$$) or or you can't afford to hire legal counsel.

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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #7
26. how many of those commenting in this thread have read the decision?
My guess is that the answer is next to no one.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #26
29. Well I did read the bloomberg article on it atleast
and it was better than the AP one as it explained why the justices ruled as they did and that they only ruled unanimously on some parts of the case and not all of them which the AP article omitted.
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #26
34. I skimmed it, for what it's worth. Got the essence. n/t
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PoliticAverse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #26
44. The Supreme Court has ruled it's a fundamental right...
for an Internet poster to be able to comment on a thing without having to
read the actual thing being commented on...
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #7
28. Back to pre civil-war law.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #28
30. Is that what the case said?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #7
31. Sickening. A crime too big to punish--we are doomed.
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #7
33. I hope this provides more motivation to unionize.
As the courts become increasingly more corporate-friendly, workers need unions to protect their rights.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:08 AM
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35. What a surprise. NOT. nt
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #7
38. I'm sick & tired of hearing corporations are too big
to be held accountable.
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avebury Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:24 AM
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45. K&R
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 12:08 PM
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50. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:09 AM
Response to Original message
41. The 'conservative' majority
are pigs. But I alway expect them to be wrong. And they are wrong!
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #41
49. Are the 'liberal' justices pigs as well for concurring with the conservative majority?
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-11 04:46 AM
Response to Reply #49
68. So, you like the decision?
You are good with this 'in your face' wage, training and advancement discrepancy?

And the liberals didn't agree with the conservative majority on much of the decision.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-11 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #68
69. I agree with the liberal justices' interpretation of the law
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:41 AM
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48. But, but, we MUST vote for Obama or else these close decisions....
Oh, yeah, his appointees just take their lead and vote the way Roberts wants them to. The Supreme Court should not have lifetime appointments. 8 year term limits. This is bullshit.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #48
51. You might want to read the decision,...
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/10-277.pdf

...or at least an accurate article about it.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SUPREME_COURT_WAL_MART_DISCRIMINATION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

The justices all agreed that the lawsuit against Wal-Mart Stores Inc. could not proceed as a class action in its current form, reversing a decision by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco. By a 5-4 vote along ideological lines, the court said there were too many women in too many jobs at Wal-Mart to wrap into one lawsuit.

-snip-

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, writing for the court's four liberal justices, said there was more than enough uniting the claims. "Wal-Mart's delegation of discretion over pay and promotions is a policy uniform throughout all stores," Ginsburg said.

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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #51
66. You might want to UNDERSTAND the decision
Edited on Tue Jun-21-11 12:18 AM by Hawkowl
You might even want to get a lawyer to help you understand it. I recommend Norman Goldman http://www.normangoldman.com/. He can dumb it down for you. The decision essentially reverses the entire rationale for ALL class action lawsuits. Instead of looking for commonalities between plaintiffs, now judges should be looking for differences to split apart plaintiffs. It is much easier for corporate America to wage a war of attrition against pesky little lawsuits, rather than fight off big, well organized class action suits.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-11 12:38 AM
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67. LOL
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #48
52. Both Kagan and Sotomayor have voted pretty consistently with the liberals.
Contrary to the predictions of some here.
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 02:05 PM
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55. A right decision in my opinion.
They didn't take away the women's right to sue their particular case, just took away the circus of a class action suit where each woman's situation, superiors, skills, job description, type of alleged discrimination were entirely different.

If you were the defendant and you were sued by everyone you once wronged in your life (from taking the bigger half of a cookie to failing to yield to a motorist to driving a motorcycle loudly at night to parking while occupying 1 foot of someone's driveway,) as a joint "class", would that be fair?

I am sometimes astounded by the tendency on DU to immediately blame the corporations without even studying the issue.

I am not saying (and nor did the SCOTUS) that Walmart didn't do anything wrong. They might have. However, making it an "impossible to defend" class action is just not fair. This is not a case of some drug causing multiple side effects in a bunch of patients or some toy whose manufacturing defect injures a bunch of kids.

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #55
59. Good point. All I could see at work was the summary paragraph that said it was "too big"
now I see why.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 07:48 PM
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60. How much will it cost Walmart to defend 1.4 million small claims actions?
Somebody should set up a do it yourself in small claims court web site. With all of the necessary paperwork and legal advice and prompting.
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #60
62. The costs are too high for the vast majority of those claims to ever get anywhere.
So justice won't be done in the vast majority of the cases.

Class actions help the plaintiffs, not the defendants. That's why Wal-Mart fought so hard to deny certification in this case.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 09:47 PM
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65. I was suggesting they file them individually in small claims court.
Edited on Mon Jun-20-11 09:49 PM by Downwinder
Walmart can't ask for them to be combined after their appeal. The legal costs for Walmart will be considerably above the awards. The sheer number of cases will swamp the courts. If there was a web site to provide support, everybody could represent themselves. That would slow things down even more.
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janburns96 Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 08:34 PM
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61. change the laws..
so that every corporate business must be employee owned and operated so all share the profits equally instead of fat greedy overlord fucks at the top sucking the life out of the poor workers barely scratching out minimum wage. Everyone deserves a living wage.
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John Paul Jones Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-11 05:28 PM
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70. I don't know if limit is the correct term. These suits can still be filed individually.
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