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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 07:27 AM
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Iranian commander: US aircraft carriers target if Islamic Republic attacked
Source: Washington Post

TEHRAN, Iran — A senior Revolutionary Guard commander threatened Saturday that U.S. aircraft carriers would be targeted if Iran came under attack amid a standoff with the West over Tehran’s nuclear program.

Iran has often warned of major retaliation if they faced a military strike from Israel or the West, but the latest comments appear tailored to emphasize the expanding range of Iranian missiles following 10 days of war games. The exercises included unveiling underground missile silos that Iran says is capable of multiple launches.

.“Aircraft carriers ... are moving targets. If the enemy threatens us, we will target them,” said Amir Ali Hajizadeh, the commander of the Guard’s aerospace force, in comments broadcast on state TV.

Hajizadeh also confirmed that Iran secretly conducted missile tests in February that he claimed hit targets at the “mouth of the Indian Ocean” — an apparent reference to areas near the Strait of Hormouz at the southern end of the Gulf. Hajizadeh gave no further details. In April, the commander of the Revolutionary Guard said Iran’s arsenal is capable of striking “remote regions outside the Persian Gulf.”



Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle-east/iranian-commander-us-aircraft-carriers-target-if-islamic-republic-attacked/2011/07/09/gIQAXpD84H_story.html
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 07:51 AM
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1. Iran would retaliate if attacked?
That is an outrage!
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Proletariatprincess Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 07:54 AM
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2. fair warning.
Time for the USA to withdraw from the Middle East. Things just get worse there the longer we stay. The wars are lost...time to come home.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 07:56 AM
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3. Aircraft carriers have the most sophisticated defensive abilities on the planet.
I'm not saying they would be safe, but it wouldn't be easy or obvious.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:08 AM
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4. We sank 'em all the time
But that's just the way us submariners are.

:)

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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:12 AM
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8. When was the last time a Los Angeles class carrier was sank? Oh, never.
n/t
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:22 AM
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10. Sinking something that doesn't exist is challenging, I'll admit. (nt)
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:27 AM
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14. Los Angeles class - submarines, not carriers
These things happen to me when I post too fast. :shrug:
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BadtotheboneBob Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:53 AM
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17. LOL!
That's cuz there are no 'Los Angeles Class' Carriers... Subs, yes... Carriers, no...
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machI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 09:01 AM
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20. Cuz teh 688 class carriers have jets man
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 10:29 AM
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26. Sub launched CAP - - Fuck ya n/t
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 01:01 PM
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33. you two are so behind the times...
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 09:39 PM
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40. aircraft carriers are just big floating targets.
They get routinely sunk in Navy wargames; the navy just cheats, declares they weren't really sank, and refloats them.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/sep/06/usa.iraq
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 08:23 PM
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46. I've never visited a Submarine CO's office
that didn't have a picture of one of the carriers in the "cross-hairs".
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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:11 AM
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6. That's what the Brits thought.
Until they met the Exocet.

Well, we do have Star Wars defenses.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:13 AM
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9. No, they didn't. The sophisticated defenses have improved tremendously since the Falklands War.
n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 04:55 PM
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carla Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:48 PM
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49. I believe,
that the Iranians have Russian made surface to surface Sunburn missiles. I would take such a threat seriously.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 09:00 AM
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19. The Excocet was an exception...do a little reading on why it got through so easily
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Angleae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 05:11 PM
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38. The british have not lost a carrier since 1942.
Edited on Sat Jul-09-11 05:13 PM by Angleae
They did lose 1 destroyer and 2 frigates, but they can't send out fighters to intercept attacking aircraft before getting to missile range.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:26 AM
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13. The Maginot Line is impenetrable!
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 10:44 AM
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28. I am in awe of those who continually take the view that actual armed conflict

. . is like a strategy game where the one with the stronger ‘strength rating’ on their token wins (the ‘Janes Defense’ crowd).

"Hezbollah nearly sinking the Israeli flagship by humping an ASM to the shore on mules does not count, the rules for their character did not allow for this form of attack."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Hanit
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 11:00 AM
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30. It's like, what's the Hulk's power rating compared to Superman's?
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 02:18 PM
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35. And it never was attacked.
It was out-flanked as the Germans were aware they would be slaughtered in a frontal assault; those defenses were formidable.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 05:43 PM
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39. So? It was rendered irrelevant by the unexpected.
You're not telling us anything anyone doesn't know. The point is about the history of hubris among military empires, which is rich.

As a matter of fact, the USG has been imagining an actual Maginot line - this one in space - for 30 years. That one will be rendered irrelevant in much the same way as the French version, if it is ever built and comes to the test: by attacks that simply avoid it.

Whatever sinks the first US carrier - and attempts will come inevitably, as long as the USG insists on starting new wars every few years - won't announce itself in advance, and may not have yet been predicted. In the aftermath of such an event, investigations will be launched to find out "what went wrong." The one question they won't ask is, "What were we doing over there (wherever) with our supposedly invulnerable Death Star in the first place?"
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 07:52 PM
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45. actually, it was attacked. It was breached in 2 hours.
the troops that attacked the Maginot line were third-rate reserve troops, without much firepower. They still breached the line quickly. fixed defences don't work.
http://www.germanmilitaryhistory.com/blog/574711-assault-on-the-maginot-line-i/
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newfie11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:10 AM
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5. oh sure we really need 7 wars now
Ya know with America's recent history if I was in another country I would be leery about them starting a war. It's what we do! :( :nuke: :shrug: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:11 AM
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7. The military will have cover while this budget bullshit goes on.
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Dan Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 05:20 PM
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44. Sad smile,
Maybe we should discover the relationship between Iran and China before we start or engage in war #7. Especially since China is floating our debt for the current wars...
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:22 AM
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11. Iran rattles sabres; this is a recording. (nt)
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:35 AM
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16. Concur. Iranians are Persians before anything else (even Muslims)
They've been acting like they have the biggest dicks in their neighborhood ever since the days they were Zoroastrians, worshipping the sun and fire.

Islam really has very little to do with it; and it's a Johnny-come-lately in the Iranian psyche.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 12:14 PM
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32. Commander Obvious here too. n/t
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:25 AM
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12. Thank you, Commander Obvious, for that stunning revelation
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:59 AM
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18. i know, right ? lol
what?! youre not just going to stand there and do nothing !?!?!
lol
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 09:28 AM
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24. But we declared that aircraft carriers were off limits!
Also no tag-backs.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:29 AM
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15. "You're not the only one with a gun, bitch."
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 09:02 AM
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21. The Pasdaran commanders rattle their swords as often as the rest of us brush our teeth
It is one of the reasons the mullahs divided military power between them and the regular military in Iran
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 09:21 AM
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 09:28 AM
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23. So if we attack you you will attack us back. . . . um . . . ok?
Edited on Sat Jul-09-11 09:28 AM by WatsonT
File this under "no shit".

I doubt you'll be able to do more than threaten but whatever.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 10:25 AM
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25. Aircraft carriers are moving targets. Missile silos are fixed targets.
We have radar-proof Stealth bombers with GPS-guided bombs, perfect for surprise attacks on fixed targets.


our moving targets are protected by fighters and Aegis-equipped cruisers.



It would be a hell of a fireworks display.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 09:40 PM
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41. an aircraft carrier is going to outrun a missle?
OK, dude.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 11:16 PM
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42. No, but you have to know where it is before you can attack it.
A silo doesn't move, ergo you can attack it whenever you want to. A ship does, so you have to find it first, THEN attack it.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 12:43 PM
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47. have you heard of radar? You can find big things with it.
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Angleae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 05:14 PM
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50. Radar has limited range
They have no long range surface search equipped aircraft leaving ground based units with range limited to the horizon.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:26 PM
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51. radar in North Dakota can find Russian bombers in the Arctic.
An aircraft carrier carries a huge radar signature; the Russians can track them through the world from their air defence base in Omsk.
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Angleae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:33 PM
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52. You can track aircraft because they are at altitude.
You can track ships only as far as the horizon. Radar doesn't bend to match the curvature of the earth.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:56 PM
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53. the Russians do it. They have satellites, you know.
Edited on Mon Jul-11-11 09:01 PM by provis99
and every ship over 100 metres in length is tracked in the Persian Gulf.
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Angleae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:13 PM
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55. Carriers aren't in the Persial Gulf.
They're in the Arabian Sea. Also the Iranians don't have that satellite capability in the first place.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 10:31 PM
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54. Yeah, like the E-2C and the F/A-18 fighters will let any recon aircraft...
...get within radar range.

Not to mention radar jamming by the EA-6B Prowler and escort ships. And air-to-air missiles with home-on-jam capability. And Tomahawk strikes on Iranian airfields and the aircraft based there.


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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 10:41 AM
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27. Hornets are VERY MUCH SMALLER than you are, but if you keep pissing on hornet nests...
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mymomwasright Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 10:49 AM
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29. Hubris is deadly. Ask the folks from the Stark
They were hit by an Excocet. Years ago Iran aquired the "Sunburn" from the Russians to defeat our ship defenses and I also believe the Chinese tested one. I don't think it'd make them dominant, but if it came to it, they could probably take at least one carrier out with it's thousands of sailors. Not a pretty thought.

http://www.rense.com/general59/theSunburniransawesome.htm

"The Sunburn can deliver a 200-kiloton nuclear payload, or: a 750-pound conventional warhead, within a range of 100 miles, more than twice the range of the Exocet. The Sunburn combines a Mach 2.1 speed (two times the speed of sound) with a flight pattern that hugs the deck and includes "violent end maneuvers" to elude enemy defenses. The missile was specifically designed to defeat the US Aegis radar defense system."
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 11:12 AM
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31. Wow, a reletively innocuous intelligence message of mine,
from the field,

was deleted here.

You are so fragile. My point exactly.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 01:47 PM
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34. One more trillion dollar war on the horizon. More cuts for the average joe needed.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 03:28 PM
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36. Khalij Fars, Noor-2, and Sunburn Iranian Anti-ship missile systems
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 11:48 PM
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43. Sounds fair enough to me
It's fairly unlikely that Iran would be attacked without US help.
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roomfullofmirrors Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:07 PM
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48. gee, I wonder what we would do to them in return?
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