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titaniumsalute Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 09:19 PM
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CEOs say they would give up tax breaks
Source: MSNBC/Reuters

WASHINGTON — The CEO of Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and other major U.S. employers told Congress Wednesday they would be willing to give up tax breaks that benefit their companies in return for a steep drop in the country's 35 percent corporate tax rate.

Companies, including big companies, pay a much lower overall effective rate by exploiting tax breaks, usually in perfectly legal ways, that in 2011 are costing the government about $102 billion in lost revenue.



Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43915204/ns/business-us_business/



This is a dumb article. They know if the tax rate is lowered that will show a % of profit as increased. Then their bonuses increase. How dumb do they think the American public really is?
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 09:22 PM
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1. So wait
they are willing to give up their tax breaks, only if they get more tax breaks? WTF!
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 09:42 PM
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5. Try looking at it like this.
Assuming they are being honest (ya a big maybe there but lets consider it for now) then this might be good thing, take GE for example, they paid zero taxes because of the breaks and loopholes, if the tax was lowered to 25% and the breaks and loopholes were removed then that is a good thing imo because the government would be collecting the 25% rather than the 0% now.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 09:48 PM
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7. Yes, and tho GE was not there,
they recognized current problems and indicated interest in rationalizing tax code.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 11:24 PM
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12. They would never agree to anything that costs them money
They have people to work out the numbers. They know this would be to their advantage.

Beware CEOs bearing gifts.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 11:38 PM
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14. Granted they might not mean it
but it could also be self interest on their parts because if the loopholes and tax breaks are removed totally without lowering the % taxed then it would end up costing them even more money.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 02:03 AM
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22. So? We need more money. That's the point of closing loopholes and raising taxes on the rich.
And please don't say a word about job creation. I don't want to spew at this hour.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 07:56 AM
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28. The problem right now at this moment though is
that companies like GE and Walmart would use their clout at the very least probably be able to delay (if not outright kill) the closing of the loopholes if they arent given an incentive not to so imo giving them a cut to 25% - 28% (example only btw) isnt a bad thing if it means they support it so we can go from collecting 0% in taxes as in the case of GE to collecting say that 25% - 28% example I mentioned above.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 02:08 AM
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25. Thank you.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 02:01 AM
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21. Try looking at it like this. When my taxes go up, they just go up. I don't get to say boo about it.
Why should they?
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 08:45 AM
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30. Actually you do have a say
as you can contact your local Representative to Congress and your Senator just like every other citizen to complain and request they look into lowering it.
As for this, the way I look at it is that going to something like 25% or even 28% would be better than the zero % that the governments getting now, sure getting a higher % would be great to but its unlikely to happen while corporations have as much power to influence our elected officials as they do currently.
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grattsl Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 09:54 PM
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8. At least it would level the playing field!
Edited on Wed Jul-27-11 09:56 PM by grattsl
I own a small business. We have to compete against companies that effectively have a lower tax rate, because they get breaks we don't. I would love it if the largest corporations lose their advantage, but I don't see it ever happening.

Edited spelling
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 02:04 AM
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23. These corporations are using their clout in order to pay less taxes, not more.
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LonePirate Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 09:22 PM
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2. Plus they also know the tax breaks and deductions will eventually return unlike the higher rates.
We need to oppose any and every effort to lower their tax rates.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 09:23 PM
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3. You should have watched the hearing.
They are real people with similar concerns to those we have, and they recognize their responsibilities.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1587460
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 09:42 PM
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4. Thanks for the laugh....just like us !!!! ???
:pals:
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:03 AM
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18. HA! I knew there was some bullshit they were trying to pull. nt
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:14 AM
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19. Hearing is rerunning now, on C-SPAN.
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indurancevile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:59 AM
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20. that's baloney. they recognize their self-interest.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 11:54 AM
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32. As do we all.
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indurancevile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 01:11 AM
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33. unfortunately, their self-interest includes how to turn their 56% of national wealth into 60%, then
Edited on Fri Jul-29-11 01:12 AM by indurancevile
60% into 65%.

we all guard our self-interest as best we can; not all of us have the power that wealth & power gives to pay off the guards.

iow, saying "we all recognize our self-interest" (implying that the ptb are no different from you & i) is ridiculous. there's no equivalence.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 02:06 AM
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24. LOL!
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 09:48 PM
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6. No one pays the corporate tax rate!
Who cares what it is?


How about a mandatory minimum tax! Huh? Huh?
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 10:52 PM
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9. What would that be based on?
How much and how much of what?
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joeglow3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 08:27 AM
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29. Care to source that claim?
I work in a Corporate tax department of a Fortune 500 company and we pay close to the statutory rate (i.e. our permanent deductions are nothing like GE's).
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 10:56 PM
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10. This means they figured out how to rip us off by doing this.
Edited on Wed Jul-27-11 11:50 PM by grahamhgreen
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 10:57 PM
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11. Tax the shit out of their precious profits.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 11:25 PM
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13. I don't think Corporations should have any say anymore.Tax them. Walmart (similar) destroy jobs.
Edited on Wed Jul-27-11 11:25 PM by glinda
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 12:01 AM
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15. CEO's ...GO FUCK YOURSELVES!
Edited on Thu Jul-28-11 12:01 AM by L0oniX
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 12:19 AM
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16. Let's cut thru the crap....
If these CEOs are calling for this, it's obvious they're expecting me to grab my ankles.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 12:56 AM
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17. Hearing rerunning on C-SPAN now.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:17 AM
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26. A little fricking late for that now, don't ya think? K & R
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 07:14 AM
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27. "What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet....Romeo and Juliet, William Shakespeare

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


Rolling Stone Magazine

Matt Taibbi

Taibbiblog

"Evil Corporate Tax Holiday Gains

The madness that is the proposed tax repatriation holiday is continuing and gathering steam. More and more members of congress are coming out of the woodwork, scratching their chins in contemplative consideration as it were, pretending that they’ve just realized what a great day a corporate tax holiday would be – not that they’ve taken gazillions of dollars from the firms lobbying for it or anything.

<snip>


Again, if they pass this thing one more time, the fiction of the "one-time holiday" disappears forever, and the next decade will see an explosion of exported profits, “transfer pricing,” and cunning use of correspondent banks to stealth-repatriate offshored funds. Everyone will know that the effective corporate tax rate has been dropped from 35 percent to 5 percent – all companies need to do is hide profits overseas and bring them back about once every presidential term or two.

This has the doubly negative effect of lowering revenue during the holiday years and reducing job investment in the intervening years, as private business revenue is kept outside the borders of the U.S. instead of staying here and dumped into the economy. Naturally, since this is the exactly stupidest thing federal lawmakers could consider doing, they are doing it."


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/evil-corporate-tax-holiday-gains-bipartisan-support-20110726
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Evasporque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 09:08 AM
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31. "...when they pry from my cold dead hands..." hahahaha...nt
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