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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 08:50 AM
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Des Moines Register Poll: Dean takes Lead in Iowa
A new Des Moine Register poll out today gives Howard Dean a narrow 23-21 percent lead over Richard Gephardt. Rounding out the candidates with double digits are John Kerry with 14% support and Joe Liebeman with 10%.

The most interesting aspect is that among those poll participants who are definitely voting in the caucuses, Dean takes a ten-point lead. It appears that Dean's early attention to Iowa including a recent media buy and letter writing campaign at Meetups to 30,000 undecided Iowans is paying off.

Also significant is that the poll indicates that Dean, not Gep is the favorite of organized labor rank and file. Dean leads Gep 28-23 percent among union members in the state.

http://desmoinesregister.com/news/stories/c4789004/21906001.html

the article has lots of interesting demographic information regarding Dean, Gep, and Kerry.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 09:00 AM
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1. The "Dean Machine" just keeps on rolling!
I just watched "Meet The Press." It had a surprise segment on Howard Dean and how dynamic he and supporters have taken the lead. They discussed how the other candidates as well as *bush all under-estimated the Great Howard Dean. (I added the great part). The gave thumbs up to his balance budget abilities...oh so many cudo's....


He is everywhere, he has the power, he will be the next President of the United States.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 09:05 AM
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2. he is getting a lot of attention this week
with this poll, the Larry King appearance on Monday, the WP article and covers of Time and Newsweek. Al Gore is talking about getting back in and I love Al Gore, but with Dean I have my candidate.
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 09:13 AM
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3. I'm baffled by Gephardt! A loser who just resigned in disgrace
and took the blame, rightly so, for the Dems. losing their butts again in the House. What kind of leadership has Gep provided? Failed leadership. I'll take any of the smallest rockets we've got. At least we know they'll be going up. Gep is fallen space junk. Could he be so high because American people just don't care and have no idea what's going on in their country?

The other complete failure is Lieberman. Mr. I-Got-My-Butt-Kicked-By-Cheney-In-The-VP-Debates. I'm sure we'll see a big improvement on his charismatic abilities?

I'll take anyone but these two losers!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 03:40 PM
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26. Lieberman was an utter shame on with Wolfie this morning.
Just an utter shame. Bush-Lite tells it all. Amazing how he had more pointed criticism of one of his own than he had for bush. AMAZING. The guy has no charisma, no good ideas, no clue. Good Riddance. I happily lean toward Dean.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 09:18 AM
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4. Yee Hah!
And he's on the covers of both Time and Newsweek :-)
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 09:27 AM
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5. I wonder if there will be home deliveries
Edited on Sun Aug-03-03 09:32 AM by liberalnurse
in Crawford? You know, at the ranch? He won't be able to get Dean out of his face!!!!!!

On TV in Texas...in his nighmares and I bet Laura wears a Dean nighty too.....

Oh, the help will be talking day and night about Dean. They will serve Vermont maple syrup on his pancakes and Ben & Jerry's for a midnight snack. It goes well with pretzels.....

Did Dr. Dean give him his prostate exam yet?
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 10:07 AM
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8. ROTFL
I LOVE your very active imagination! You go, girl!

Eloriel
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SilasSoule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 03:17 PM
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25. LOL LIbNurse!!!
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AmyStrange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 07:18 PM
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32. I might buy a copy and send it to the White House...

Time AND Newsweek






Dave (AmyStrange.com)
http://www.SeattleActivist.org/MyLifeStory.html
DU (slang/ folklore) Glossary (Dictionary): http://DUG.SeattleActivist.org/
Index of WMD Articles: http://WMD.SeattleActivist.org/

Here are some excellent resources and timelines of quotes and interviews and newspaper article quotes documenting the different things Bush and Co did and said for the last two plus years concerning the war in Iraq and WMDs (and other fun things) from the Howard Dean Website---even if you're not a Dean Fan, these are still excellent resources:

The Bush Administration And WMDs: Then And Now:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=bush_wmd_summary

Niger-Uranium Timeline:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=niger_timeline

Bush and WMD: Assumptions vs. Reality:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Bush_-_Iraq_-_Side_by_Side.pdf?docID=781

The Bush Administration and WMD: What did they know and when did they know it?:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Administration_-_Iraq_Deception.pdf?docID=762

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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 09:55 AM
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6. Stupe question here....
WHY IS EVERYTHING A HORSE RACE AT THIS TIME? There is almost SIX MONTHS until the first primary or caucus.

PLENTY OF TIME to look carefully at the candidates.WHY DO WE PLAY THE MEDIA'S GAME??(They don't want to look at the issues, just play the 'horserace' game.)

WHY ARE WE FALLING FOR THEIR HYPE AND LACK OF SERIOUS REPORTING?

Don't get me started, then I will REALLY rant!!
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 09:59 AM
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7. Because...
...we live in interesting times...
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 10:13 AM
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10. Clue for ya
For the media, they prefer covering the horse race aspect to the issues aspects. So that's what they'll do.

As for your other remarks, I've looked as carefully at the candidates as I'm going to. Dean had me early on, for his fresh approach, unapologetic, outspokenness about the truth and willingness to take it straight to Bush.

You're suggesting that you yourself haven't made up your mind? I thought you were supporting Kucinich?

Eloriel
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 10:41 AM
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12. Yup. Kucinich is the "real Deal."
But I AM concerned about how OUR DEMOCRATIC PROCESSES are being CORRUPTED!! This goes beyond candidate.

MILLIONS out there are NOT getting real news about ALL the candidates, because the media are playing the horse race game. It's all supposed to be "Go with the flow. Vote for the popular candidate, the candidate who is obviously going to WIN, the one who raises the most funds, or the one who gets on the most covers of magazines or appears most on Larry King.This guy is a WINNER "(implied because he is the leader in a couple of states, by a few points.)

THIS IS TEARING OR DEMOCRACY APART. And I am upset when DU-ers play the game.

Gotta go to church. Will check back after the Hisroshima/Nagasaki silent vigil.

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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 02:19 PM
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22. Kucinich studiously ignored by media & Democrats
Dennis is clearly the one, as you, Studs Terkel, Barbara Ehrenreich, Ralph Nader and others have been quick to observe.

But Kucinich is anathema to American corporate culture, which governs not merely our employment but our government, media and politics. Democratic Party politics, no less.

It's a gargantuan pity. But there you have it--reform from within a corrupt system is a pipe dream. First, no one will hear about you. Second, your invisibility will be used against you. Third, the herd will flock around the leader with the headlines. Fourth, that person will go through the vetting process of having party bosses cleanse his ideas and plans of unelectable impurities.

Dean still has a battle ahead for the nomination. But even if he can surmount DLC opposition, the Dean that will emerge by next November will be an even paler centrist than the one on display now--he'll have been focus-grouped into a corporate candidate par excellence.

And Bush will crush him easily. Do not fail to heed Karl Rove's glee at the prospect.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 03:05 PM
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24. I usually don't get into this but since you brought it up
I have really come to like Dennis K alot and you speak of Rove's glee at the prospect of Dean, just think how gleeful he would be if Dennis were running as well as Dean at this point? he would be salavating at that idea. But I've said it before many times--I think all of our candidates can beat Bush. In the end, it doesn't matter what Rove thinks because you know in your heart that Dennis can win and I know in my heart Dean can win. You also know that when you write about Dean getting "crushed" by Bush that the WH would welcome even more a race against Dennis for the same reason--they think that they could crush him. Lets not pay attention to Rove.
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 04:54 PM
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31. I will admit, I didn't support Dean at first.
Edited on Sun Aug-03-03 04:56 PM by Sean Reynolds
I supported Gore but it was unknown if he was going to run. Then I switched over to Kerry and vehemently supported him. But after he voted for the Iraq war I couldn't bring myself to further support him - so I didn't.

After Kerry I thought about Kucinich, but ultimately went with Dean about five months back. I chose him because I liked what he had to say - even if he was a little conservative on fiscal issues. My opinion on him was solidified when I had the GREAT honor of meeting him in person here in Salt Lake. He gave arousing speech, gasp, without a FUCKING speech. It was off the cuff and very well done.

Dean has done something to me. I didn't even feel it with Clinton OR Gore. I can't explain what it is, but if Dean doesn't win the nomination - it'll be heartbreaker.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 10:10 AM
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9. The Doctor IS In!
GO, DEAN GO!

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Clyde39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 10:18 AM
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11. Rove has said they welcome Dean to be the one
It's that old GOP practice of "Say something over and over and it becomes the truth". Karl thinks it would be a piece of cake if it's Dean. Just hearing this makes me want Dean......and Clark for VP!
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FubarFly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 10:43 AM
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13. I'm not afraid of the big bad Rove.
Karl Rove has already directed shrub to one losing campaign in 2000. His subsequent direction has helped polarize the country and unneccesarily erode at the fringes of shrub's base. Karl Rove is a loser. He understands photo-ops and soundbites, but he doesn't know how to convey a message with any substance. He, like most of the neo-cons, has too much contempt for the American people to ever level with them. If Karl says he wants Dean, then he's the one I want also. Dean will answer Rove's attacks with attitude and substance, whereas Rove can only answer Dean's attacks with spin, hype, and flag-waving. It will work on his hard-core base- but they weren't going anywhere to begin with. It is the casually political, mainstream Americans who will be looking for real answers, and with Rove in charge, they won't get them. It will soon be time to dispel the myth of the almighty Karl Rove once and for all.
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Clyde39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 02:36 PM
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23. I sure hope you are right, but "they" say he's VERY powerful
I can't remember where I read about Rove recently....possibly The New Yorker. The author stated that Rove is the most powerful and influential presidential advisor ever.....pretty scary!
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 10:49 AM
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14. I heard one of those talking heads say Dean isn't optimistic.
He said none of the Dems have anything optimistic to say, and no one wins without that.

Huh?

I guess Smirk is allowed to criticize the Dems (negative) and lie about the upturn in the economy (fake positive) and it's ok. But if the Dems criticize Smirky's economic and foreign affairs (negative) and offer real solutions to problems at home (um, er, negative?).

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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 11:08 AM
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15. The talking head is missing the point
Dean's optimism is exactly what resonates with many Dean supporters.

He's tough and frustrated with the current state of affairs, but his message *isn't* about anger. It is about hope and empowerment. We want our country back and we are very optimistic that Dean can help us take it back.

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mefoolonhill Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 11:31 AM
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16. dean
Whatever one thinks of Howard Dean, the brilliance of his campaign thus far is a heck of a good reason to vote for him. We all agree that dumping Bush is the goal, and Dean's team has set itself apart from the other Democratic candidates. I'm 56, and have never seen so much grassroots enthusiasm in my life- something very big is happening, and it transcends Dean. I think we are about to see what happens when the electorate rises up and gets involved....
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 03:50 PM
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27. That's an excellent point. Dean's campaign IS worth admiring.
Not only is it good, and its "rapid response" strategy is every bit as on-the-mark as Clinton's was when Carville was running things, but - consider this: Dean's got a great campaign - ie: great people working for him. That is a clear signal that he is adept at picking/hiring/recruiting good people. People with energy, enthusiasm, and creativity, who are obviously able to problem-solve and think outside the box in an extremely impressive and profound manner. The equally impressive results they're getting, and the public attention it's drawn, is also a signal. Imagine if we had that kind of human machinery in the White House, attacking and addressing our nation's problems!

If his campaign is this effective, imagine what his administration would be. Especially since many of his campaign staffers would carry forward into the White House with him. THAT would be neat!

I'm liking Dean more and more.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 11:40 AM
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17. In fact, it's become one for me!
I'm angry that pols *haven't* been offering hope! Dean lays out solutions- steps in the direction in which soooo many want to go.

I heard Shields say that on Capitol Gag. He seemed to like what he'd seen of the Dean campaign, then lobbed that out. *jaw dropped* Then, although his words were overridden, he offered Gephardt's name in answer to which dem did offer "hope". Go figure.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 11:42 AM
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18. I heard that too, he said only Gep had an optimistic message
I think it was one of the dorks on Capital Gang.

Only Gephardt's message is optimistic...Sheesh.
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Oreegone Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 11:43 AM
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19. Dean Machine its real, please join us
Dean is the man... The man who can beat Shrub. That is why Rove is mentioning him so early on. They realize he is an actual threat. They are retrying the "Gore invented the computer" tactic. It won't work this time.

As for Kucinich no matter how much you think he represents exactly how you feel remember you are in the minority. Your uncle in Nebraska would never, I mean NEVER vote for him. He also comes across too harsh and isn't likeable enough. People don't want to think they are going to watch someone jumping up and down, yelling and frothing for 4 years.

Do yourself a favor, do us all a favor back Dean and make sure someone like Lieberman who is a Moderate Republican at best does not bring us down.

The Dean machine rolls on, and baby you ain't seen nothin' yet. GET SERIOUS, GET INVOLVED, MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

GO DEAN GO "The Doctor is IN"

:kick:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 04:00 PM
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28. I think this is true.
I like Dennis Kucinich. I like a lot of what he stands for and I like his heart. HOWEVER, I think Oreegone is correct, he's viewed as "too left" by those uncles in Nebraska and the shoppers at Walmart in Oklahoma.

And, for the superficial voter who doesn't use his or her brain too much, the problem with Kucinich is that he looks funny. He does not come off well on camera. And UNFORTUNATELY, that makes a big difference. It's that X-factor, that appeal. Sad to say, bush has it because he has this carefully-crafted image of being just the guy you'd wanna go have a beer with. I have heard that phrase stated about him many times. I realize that you, yourself, would rather spit that beer in his face than share it at table with him (me too), but that intangible DOES count, A LOT, with too many voters.

Dennis Kucinich comes off as too serious, too professorial, too unphotogenic and funny-looking, and thus, not presidential. And it's too bad, because he does have many good things going for him - INCLUDING the results of his mayoralty in Cleveland. Yeah, maybe he blew it there because, as I understand it in my limited knowledge, he refused to sell off the city utilities to private interests for a short-term municipal profit. But farther down the line, I've heard that Cleveland now has the cheapest energy rates in the country.

I myself might be for Kucinich except I don't think it's realistic - I doubt he can win. Besides, I am dreadfully uncomfortable with anyone who has an anti-choice voting record like his, regardless what he says he'll do in the future if he gets elected. But I do see a fair showing of Kucinich bumper stickers out here in So Cal. But just as many Dean ones. I have yet to see any for the other candidates.

I think Dean's the one. Besides, he's fired up the people. I agree with the other poster who said that in 50-some-odd years he or she had never remembered seeing people so fired up about a campaign. I have 50 of those years, myself, and I can't remember anything like that, either. It's truly astounding. His is the Little Campaign that Could. And while 150 people gave 2,000 dollars to Dick Cheney that one weekend, THOUSANDS of people gave an average of 52 dollars each to Dean's online campaign. I'd match THOUSANDS of contributors/VOTERS against 150 any day! And those numbers for Dean are only growing.

I think we're onto something here.
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 12:04 PM
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20. Dean is the only candidate that can win both IA and NH...
Edited on Sun Aug-03-03 12:14 PM by goobergunch
and it looks like he may. :-)

ON EDIT

Dean also has more broad-based support than the other candidates. At this point, I'd say IA is a toss-up between Dean and Gephardt, Dean slightly favored, with Kerry likely to come in third. On a graph, Dean has been moving steadily upward since February in Iowa, while Gephardt has remained steady.

Dean :thumbsup: 4% since mid-July, :thumbsup: 8% since late June
Gephardt :thumbsdown: 11% since mid-July, :thumbsdown: 4% since late June
Kerry :thumbsup: 2% since mid-July, :thumbsdown: 1% since late June
Lieberman steady since mid-July, :thumbsdown: 1% since late June
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jos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 04:32 PM
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30. If he does, he's almost assured the nomination
But this is one poll. As the article points out, Gephardt sagged a bit in late '87, before winning. So I still consider him the favorite in Iowa. New Hampshire is a toss-up between Kerry and Dean, but a strong second place in Iowa should be enought to propel Dean to victory in New Hampshire.
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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 01:01 PM
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21. Hey Dean Supporters - get the unofficial Howard Dean Screensaver
Edited on Sun Aug-03-03 01:02 PM by BadGimp
the unofficial Howard Dean Screensaver

I am working with a company from CT (www.ModeEleven.com) and they went ahead and created a custom screen saver for the Dean campaign at my request.

I have been attempting to preview this screen saver and the broadcast platform ModdeEleven has built it upon, to the Dean camp. So far it's been hard to get past the clutter.

But if anyone would like to check it out (free of course) send and email to badgimp@usa.com, and I will send you and email with instructions for downloading and installing your own copy (PC only sorry Mac users :).


my commentary on Howard Dean: Dean's message resonates with his supporters because he speaks plainly, directly, and he is bold, resolute and determined. What other Dem candidate can you really say that about?
check out the Dean website for yourself: DeanForAmerica.com

BadGimp

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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 04:19 PM
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29. this is better than even the Dean campaign hoped for!
Their plan was to have him win NH and come in 2nd in Iowa..... IF he can win both NH AND IA that would be awesome.... all he needs is enough momentum to take him to California and he will have it.

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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 07:53 PM
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33. We're moving on up to the White House
Dean is the real thing baby! He's on fire and he's not afraid of Rove or the bush king. Bring it on pretzel boy!

Howard Dean will be the next duly elected President of the United States. Woo hoo and I get to see him again
later this month in hot central Texas.

Howard Dean's "Take Back America Tour '04".
Ganamos con Dean!
Si se puede!

Sonia
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