Voters show displeasure in debt ceiling debate, poll shows

Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Voters in Pennsylvania disapproved of the way President Barack Obama handled the recent debate over the national debt limit, but he fared better that fellow Democrats or Republicans in Congress, according to a poll released this morning.

The Quinnipiac University poll shows registered voters disapproved of the president's role, 54-43 percent.

Voters in the state also said Mr. Obama does not deserve to be reelected, by 52-42 percent.

In a potential matchup in the 2012 election matching the president against possible Republican challengers, the polls shows:
• Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney with 44 percent to Mr. Obama's 42 percent;
• Former Pa. U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum with 43 percent to Mr. Obama's 45 percent;




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Rick Santorum's fundraising will unfortunately get a boost by being within 2 points of Obama.

Baring a major improvement in the employment statistics, 2012 is shaping up to be a bloodbath for incumbents of both parties. Hope someone primaries my Blue Dog Congressman, Jason Altmire.

This Quinnipiac University poll, released today, was taken between July 25 and July 31. 1,358 registered voters were interviewed, including 532 Republicans. Both land lines and cell phone were called.

This is ridiculous and I agree on Altmire. He needs to go.

Senator Casey trounced Santorum in the Senate race and I look for Santorum to disappear from this Pres. race soon, despite this one poll.

that he polled so well against Obama. It tells you Obama really has a serious problem in the state. Add in the redistricting being controlled by the state GOP, and our Dem. candidates have an uphill battle.

And I have no doubt Ricky would be delighted to accept the VP slot on the GOP ticket.

Santorum did well because of his name recognition within Pennsylvania

There is no doubt that if you poll outside the state, Santorum would
not fare as well.

Just my opinion.

And 54% disapproved of how Obama handled the debt ceiling debate. Slice and dice the numbers anyway you like - Obama is still in trouble in PA. With those numbers, he will not be providing coat tails for Democratic candidates in federal, state or local government elections in 2012.


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Obama could lose the election if he gets blitzed in the industrial Midwest.

Obama carried eight industrial states in 2008: Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota. He probably can’t win Indiana in 2012 and probably can’t lose his home state of Illinois. The other six are all up for grabs. Republicans did very well in those states in the 2010 elections.

Central to Obama’s success in the industrial heartland in 2008 was the role of organized labor, which has a significant membership in all eight states. Labor has been ambivalent about Obama over the past two years because of his failure to push its No.1 legislative priority: card check. It is also disheartened by his recent embrace of free-trade agreements.

Obama must kiss and make up with labor between now and November 2012. Republican governors in these heartland states have helped him by going on an anti-labor tear since their elections.

In every state. Even our western liberal haven of Oregon has them in plenty.

Senator Discharge has absolutely no chance. Every dime he receives, is akin to money in the DNC's pocket.

wouldn't vote for him. But let's face it with no other options on the dem's side and I surely will never vote for a republican we don't have any good choices. Obama is better then the other side. I am betting he knows we will come back. It's like getting raped by both sides.

weak or stupid.

weak allows stupid to control.

stupid allows weak to control.

that's our choice.

Obama knows only too well that the base will never vote Republican, so we're "safe," we can be taken for granted. At that point, electoral calculus favors pitching to an entirely different constituency, with entirely different values, in the hopes of picking up their votes. Sound arithmetic, but if there is no duty on the part of elected officials to honor their campaign promises and represent the interests of the voters who elected them, then what are our votes really worth? Are we simply giving a superficial veneer of democratic legitimacy to officials who will do whatever the hell they please (or, more to the point, whatever their corporate campaign contributors bid them to do)?

I'm beginning to think the only solution may be to support strict term limits, so that elected officials don't have the specter of getting re-elected constantly shaping their policy decisions. It seems like an awful waste of the experience officials will acquire during their term, and, of course, they will be just that much more vulnerable to offers of lucrative employment after their terms are completed in exchange for preferential legislative treatment. Shit, I don't know, all I know that the overwhelming majority of the public - Democrat and Republican alike - favored taxing the rich to balance the budget and protecting Social Security, yet we nonetheless wound up with a debt deal that did exactly 180 degrees the opposite of what the majority of the population wanted. It's very tough to maintain faith in the institutions of our supposedly representative democracy when those institutions keep allowing stuff like this to happen.

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They always LOSE Pennsylvania in the end. :sarcasm:

*rolling eyes and unrecommending*

What alternative reality are you occupying?

I remember the stories about former Hillary supporters working against Obama in PA. It happened.

typically win PA despite all the pundits' creaming their pants with glee on the fantasy that Republican presidential candidates will win. Every four years, they try and demoralize the voters of New Jersey and PA, in particular. And every single time, they have been proven wrong! While these states may vote Republican at the state level (governor, for instance), they almost always go for the Democrat in presidential elections.

typically win PA despite all the pundits' creaming their pants with glee on the fantasy that Republican presidential candidates will win. Every four years, they try and demoralize the voters of New Jersey and PA, in particular. And every single time, they have been proven wrong! While these states may vote Republican at the state level (governor, for instance), they almost always go for the Democrat in presidential elections.

term president.

Romney wins the primary - with a Republican in the WH at least the Democrats would act like the opposition party.

:rofl:

I suspect these numbers will change a lot. And I believe that Republicans will be blamed more for the bad parts of the deal than Obama and the Democrats.

the hairy details once the crisis has been averted. If default had actually occurred what went on before would have mattered - but since it didn't, it will not matter as much. And if default had occurred the Republicans would still get more blame.

Signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008. One month BEFORE the 2008 election and almost four months before Obama's inauguration.

I go to the VA's Seizure Clinic for appointments every month in the Neurology Dept. The veterans there in OIF/OEF are invariably incredulous and despairing at the cable news in the waiting room that shows nothing about the daily carnage still going on in Iraq and Afghanistan. In their hospital rooms each night, they see nothing but vacuous entertainment shows that are the opiate of the zombified American minds. People are fixated on Casey Anthony's partying, the latest Hollywood split-up or hook-up, and "Entertainment Tonight." People have forgotten we have two wars in the Middle East still killing our young people. Out of sight, out of mind. And we wonder why they commit suicide in such high numbers. I wonder if some of them are from the trauma of war, and others from the indifference to their sacrifices. Who knows what will be on the fickle minds of Americans around election time 2012? To paraphrase, Yesterday's travails make way for today's, then for tomorrow's and the thousand tomorrows beyond. Many people tend to forget what bothered them many yesterdays ago.

I cant keep voting for the lesser of what is told to me as 2 evilsI am sorry but I cant vote for Obama just cant do it .I hope someone else runs or I will have to go 3rd party.

Too early to panic---and much too early to be complacent.

Of course people are going to turn to someone else.