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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 08:06 PM
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BART temporarily closes all downtown SF stations (protests)
Edited on Mon Aug-15-11 08:44 PM by Newsjock
Source: San Francisco Chronicle

BART temporarily closed all four downtown San Francisco stations tonight - Civic Center, Powell, Montgomery and Embarcadero - after protesters gathered on to express anger over the transit agency's decision to cut underground cellular phone service for three hours Thursday evening in an effort to quell a protest.

As of 6:30 p.m., the Civic Center, Montgomery and Embarcadero stations had reopened.

The protesters were kicked out of the Civic Center station at 5:25 p.m., then began marching toward the other stations, prompting BART to close them, one by one.

... The protest began at 5 p.m. when about 75 protesters gathered on the Civic Center station platform. BART police closed the station after at least one protester blocked a door of a Dublin-Pleasanton train for two minutes as others chanted "No justice, no peace." The train continued west, and a dispersal order was soon issued.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/15/MNGT1KNJU1.DTL
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Harmony Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 08:08 PM
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1. The more BART resists the more it makes them look bad
I understand that they provide a service, but this is starting to reach a level of sheer silliness.
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 08:21 PM
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4. So the protestors can keep passengers from entering or exiting trains?
Or how about the guy who climbed on top of the rail car? I do not think most people want to see that again.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 09:32 PM
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8. BART seems to have done that part
and long after the protest had taken off down the street.
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Proletariatprincess Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 09:54 PM
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10. yes. they can.
that is the power of civil disobediance and we need more of it not less Sorry if some people are inconvenienced, but there are bigger issues at stake here. Resisting police state tactics is essential now and I have little patience for those who value order over liberty at this crucial time in our history.
All over the world citizens are taking to the streets to demand justice and you are concerned about a little inconvenience at the Bart Station?
Join the resistance or get the hell out of the way.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 11:28 PM
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15. kidnapping is not civil disobedience
and not allowing people off a train is kidnapping. No, we do NOT need more of that... we don't need ANY of that. The protesters' issue is with BART, NOT with it's innocent train riders, so not allowing innocent train riders to get to their destinations on a train or even held captive on a train is not going to win ANY sympathy and rightly should not.

If they wanted to be civilly disobedient they could refuse to leave when they were told to, etc. If they targeted the innocent train riders including kidnapping by not letting them off a train then it's not going to win them any sympathy, it's criminal and they should be in jail.


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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 11:38 PM
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16. "not allowing people off a train is kidnapping"?
I haven't seen that reported anywhere... preventing a train from moving, yes, but the passengers could have dis-embarked.
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 02:16 AM
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17. During the last big protest
The protestors crowded the doorways making it impossible to get off the train, as well as get on.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 03:39 PM
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26. That's just too damned bad, isn't it?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 12:34 PM
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21. BART is churning out propaganda like this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsKEvd6gH0A

And some people are eating it up with a ladle.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 03:40 PM
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27. For my part, after they shot that guy instead of tasering him (what, last year?),
I've decided to treat anything at all BART ever has to say in its own defense ever again with an entire quarry of salt.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 03:58 PM
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29. New Years Day 2009.
Davy D made the point on Amy's show today: we know they have video, where is it? Are they hiding it again because it shows their thugs killed another helpless person?
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 08:11 PM
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2. ABC live: BART protest at Civic Center Station
Edited on Mon Aug-15-11 08:11 PM by cal04
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 08:20 PM
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3. I have a feeling this will not end well.
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 08:23 PM
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5. Will the protestors trash the Castro again?
Edited on Mon Aug-15-11 08:26 PM by RandySF
It looks peaceful right now.
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 08:26 PM
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6. Are they protesting BART or SFPD?
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 08:28 PM
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7. Looks like they're moving down Market St.
Pretty peaceful.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 09:36 PM
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9. We don't have underground transit cell coverage here
People have just learned to time their calls appropriately.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 10:19 PM
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11. BART is afraid of what?
I'm glad to see civil disobedience.....anywhere, for that matter. Goddess knows the majority of people are getting screwed.

Eat the rich.
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 10:32 PM
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13. Their idiot supervisor knows he has to give up his job.
He's trying to protect himself.
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 10:31 PM
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12. Tyranny
It's not just in socialist countries....
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 11:26 PM
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14. Gawd forbid that the citizens of America, speak out.
...part of our ever increasing police state...shut up and just do what "authority" tells you to do.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 06:24 AM
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18. I ride BART, but on the other side of the Bat
I ride the train that goes North/South on the East Bay side. If this means I'm late for work, well I have no problem with that.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 11:25 AM
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19. The irony is, the protests over the cell phone shutdown were worse
Edited on Tue Aug-16-11 11:25 AM by KamaAina
thatn the one over the recent BART police killing the shutdown was designed to prevent.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 12:20 PM
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20. Amy did almost her whole show on these protests and on Anonymous.
And I have a hunch about the shutdown.

I tend to think that the Feds were involved in the cell phone shut down. Secure Communities has been in action since last summer. I don't think the idiots at BART would do this on their own -- they open themselves up to all kinds of lawsuits and their first directive has always seemed to be, watch the liability. And the cherry on top is, the FCC says it is investigating.

Now, the FCC never does anything on its own. But here it is, promptly and assiduously "investigating" this shut down.

I just don't buy it. The Feds know that the Bay Area is an active protest/hacking hub. Plus, they looked at London and went into their war room. This shutdown meant they could test that response in real time and maybe shake loose some people they wanted in other cases, like Wikileaks/Manning/Anonymous.

How's that for a conspiracy theory and it's not even noon yet. lol
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 12:59 PM
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22. So....we're all cool with knowing our communications can be cut off whenever by whomever?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 03:37 PM
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25. I put this up but it sank like a stone
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 02:21 PM
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23. BART will inconvenience as many passengers as possible, hoping they will turn against the protesters
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Harmony Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 02:24 PM
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24. Yes in theory that is what they hope to accomplish
but I don't think it is working.

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 03:54 PM
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28. I'm sorry, but annoying commuters is not a good strategy.
They are already pissed off.
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