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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 01:18 PM
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The Army Cleans House, MSNBC - Putsch Purges Pentagon
Edited on Sun Aug-03-03 01:21 PM by TacticalPeak
on edit oops link http://www.msnbc.com/news/947673.asp

snip

But Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita said
any suggestion the moves were at Rumsfeld’s behest was
“utter nonsense.”

snip


Hope Clark gets a chance to get this s**t squared away!
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Desperadoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 01:39 PM
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1. No Big Deal
Stalin and Hitler did the exact same thing. Anyone who is not in lock-step with the Administration will be purged.

Rumsfeld should be charged with treason, along with the rest of this murderous regime.
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Wonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 03:08 PM
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5. great news
I am still waiting for goosestep formation drills to commence in the "homeland" on the whitehouse lawn.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 09:40 PM
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19. Yes, Plus Stalin and Hitler paid for it dearly.
:nuke:
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 01:55 PM
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2. Some of these generals will want to sing
The Lamentations of Babylon.

Let's hope the press will place America's ear within hearing range, so that citizens might consider what the generals have to say.
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Redleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 02:21 PM
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3. Yes, indeed. Of course the media didn't do much with the
resignations of senior Bush White House counter-terrorism and intelligence advisors. Hell, I can't even remember their names.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 10:31 PM
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25. resignations of diplomats
Edited on Sun Aug-03-03 10:31 PM by w4rma
U.S. Diplomat's Letter of Resignation
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/27/international/27WEB-TNAT.html

Letter of Resignation (Mary Wright)
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/marywright.asp

U.S. Mongolian Diplomat Resigns Over Iraq (Fourth U.S. Diplomat)
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=542&e=84&u=/ap/20030327/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/war_diplomat_resigns_2

Third U.S. Diplomat Resigns Over Iraq Policy
http://truthout.org/docs_03/032303G.shtml

Second US Diplomat Resigns in Protest
http://www.wagingpeace.org/articles/03.03/0314krieger_diplo_resign.htm
U.S. diplomat resigns over Iraq war plans
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N10105063.htm

I know at least one General retired early because of Bush's Iraq invasion.
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Redleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 11:47 PM
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29. Thank you for those links.
EOM
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Wonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 03:12 PM
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6. problem there is even when handing down commands and orders
the consistently stick to "generalities", at least that's the "general" interpertation of their rules.
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kainah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 08:10 PM
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15. I agree
When they pissed off the intelligence community, it came back to bite them. How many of these generals do you think will find their next gig as commentators on the cable news networks????
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 03:07 PM
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4. "what he sees as unimaginative Army leadership"?
Edited on Sun Aug-03-03 03:08 PM by TahitiNut
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has made no secret of his dissatisfaction with what he sees as unimaginative Army leadership. Schoomaker, too, is critical of a culture he sees as risk-averse and change-resistant. In comments made privately but now circulaing widely in the Pentagon, Schoomaker said recently: “Rumsfeld might think we’re at war with terrorism, but I’ll bet he also thinks he is at war within the Pentagon ... It’s a war of the culture.”

Culture wars.

Reichsfuhrer Rumsfeld obviously equates "unimaginative" to lack of delusional Fourth Reich aspirations. "Risk-averse" is his euphemism for resistance to overt conquest, occupation, and domination of other countries.

The Wehrmacht is being 'cleansed' of non-compliant leadership. Next come the "Gott Mit Uns" beltbuckles.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 03:18 PM
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7. It's true!
Rummy to general X, "can you imagine massive amounts of WMD in Iraq?"

General X, "no."

Rummy, "you're clearly unimaginative...and fired."
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 03:34 PM
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8. Apparently, they couldn't imagine...
...being able to control Iraq with only 50,000 troops (Rummy's original plan).
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 08:57 PM
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18. I thought "risk averse" meant wanting adequate
troop strength and logistic support, and food, and
things like that.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 10:40 PM
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26. My thoughts EXACTLY!
unimaginative Army leadership!!

critical of a culture he sees as risk-averse and change-resistant!!


:wtf: while our soldiers are dying because of his incomptence he dares say these Generals were unimaginative and risk-averse!


Burn in hell Rumsfeld. Burn in hell.
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 04:16 PM
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9. Have other presidents done this?
This strikes me as the early stages of forming a "Republican Guard" to insure that the military won't rise up against Bush's policies.

Am I over reacting? Is this as serious as I think it is?
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 05:14 PM
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10. Well, it ain't good, that's for sure.
They may be cleaning house in order to be ready, really ready, for the election or its fictional replacement.
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classics Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 05:15 PM
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11. Risk averse?
Im betting there are mothers of some dead soldiers out there wishing the army has been even more 'risk averse' than it already is, not less.

Bush wants a 'bring it on' Army full of killbots that will throw themselves against any enemy, real or imagined that his administration cooks up.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 05:28 PM
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12. Replace all the Shinseki types that spoke the truth
with Rumsfeld's automatons. Yep, that's improvement! What's next, force the troops to take a loyalty oath to Bush?
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 07:37 PM
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13. While simultaneously in Iraq reporters are not allowed near the troops
indefinitely. These two moves at the same time tell me that Iraq is becoming more of a clusterfuck than we or Rummy has yet imagined. They are trying to lock out dissent in the ranks and at the upper echelons of the military simultaneously.
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quarbis Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 10:04 PM
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23. The christian Coalition
asked the troops to pray for *.
That's just a logical extention of this policy.
As we said in Viet Nam -- "kill a commie for Christ"
as if He wasn't a pacificist.
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 07:39 PM
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14. Whether or not the moves were at Rumsfelds BEHEST, he had to
give them the ultimate approval, wouldn't we think?
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maryallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 08:16 PM
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16. ELEVEN 3-and-4-star generals told to pack it in??
"With MORE to follow," according to the article.

WOW!

As an Army brat, I can tell you those "old soldiers" will NOT "go quietly into that dark night."

Trust me on this one, DU'ers:
The "top brass" have learned a few things in their military careers about power and manipulation. Yank a command away from a warrior for "political reasons" and he'll/she'll come out fighting.
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Trek234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 08:50 PM
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17. You think so?
I'm sure the Bush admin would be most displeased about that...
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ILeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 10:03 PM
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22. But what can they do about it? Have a sit-in?...............eom
n/t
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 09:50 PM
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20. Rommel, the desert fox.
remember one of Hitlers favorites helped in the attempted murder of Hitler. Rommel paid with his life.

Uneasy rests the head that wears the crown. Nobody can be trusted.

180
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quarbis Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 09:59 PM
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21. Keeping the ass kissers
Typical of the military if you won't kiss ass you lose.
General's are politicians -- I guess some look at kissing * ass as
a way to get promoted.

Just one question why does our military require 1200 generals???
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 10:07 PM
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24. This sounds like very bad news to me.
.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 10:40 PM
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27. I wonder who the soldiers will follow Rummy or the Generals?
This has been unbelievable!!

A Sad state of affairs!!!

ABSOLUTE TREASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 11:28 PM
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28. Well , I guess
If anybody gets mad about the next election theft, shrub will have the generals in place to say "shoot the protestors". If the sheeple get restless the GOPee will be ready.



"what we couldn't get with monica we got with osama" ditto anon
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tlb Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 05:48 AM
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30. Maybe bad news , maybe not.
I'm no Pentagon insider so I can't judge what is really happening in the E ring but I note as a matter of history, a reshuffling in the higher ranks is common in the early stages of a war.

A recurring trait through our military history is that many peacetime generals have risen through the ranks more on the basis of their political and social skills then on the basis of their leadership skills. Then when war arises they must be weeded out, hopefully before a Kasserine Pass type disaster occurs .

We are going to need further information before we can really judge if the current affair is such a weeding, or if it is a purge.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 06:57 AM
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31. What peacetime?
<A recurring trait through our military history is that many peacetime generals have risen through the ranks more on the basis of their political and social skills then on the basis of their leadership skills.>

We're on our fourth war in thirteen years.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 08:48 AM
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33. This should be watched
Housecleaning before rollback of Posse Comitatus Act? :tinfoilhat:
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 07:19 AM
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32. Priceless Rummylogic!
"Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has made no secret of his dissatisfaction with what he sees as unimaginative Army leadership."

Riiiight. It's "unimaginative" to want a clear-cut mission objective and the troops, support and hardware to carry it out.

Sounds like Reptile Rum wants some of that good old private sector CEO cost-cutting/streamlining. Let's have us a War For Profit and the lowest bidder can fight it!

:freak:
dbt
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 08:51 AM
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34. losing more votes
This adminstrations is destroying it's base. This alarms me because it certainly doesn't appear that they are worrying about votes. When you read a bit about diebold and now this, sorry but you have to wonder.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 10:25 PM
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35. YES....And I betcha 10 to 1 the military votes DEMOCRAT!!!!
It just shows you how truely weak this thugs are!!!

I just hope the military realizes that they are under a tyrranical power.

It is up to them!
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 10:43 PM
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36. It's certainly worth pondering...
I have never felt anything BUT that this junta will do whatever it takes to stay in power. I simply can't believe that they have any intention of allowing themselves to be at risk of being voted out.

There is NOTHING that this bunch does in public view that is not disguising one secret agenda or another -- NOTHING! The more they alienate parts of their base, the more we SHOULD worry. It means they don't consider the upcoming election to be a particularily relevant factor in their continued control of the government.

sw
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