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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 01:57 PM
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US plans to make it a priority to deport illegal immigrants who are convicted criminals
Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON — The government says many illegal immigrants who don’t have criminal records but are facing possible deportation will get to stay in the U.S. indefinitely and have a chance to apply for a work permit.

Deporting illegal immigrants who are convicted criminals will be the Obama administration’s priority.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano says authorities will make a case-by-case review of the approximately 300,000 illegal immigrants who are facing possible deportation.

Immigration advocates say the Obama administration hasn’t lived up to its promise to only deport the “worst of the worst,” as the president has said.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/us-plans-to-make-it-a-priority-to-deport-illegal-immigrants-who-are-convicted-criminals/2011/08/18/gIQAxKHxNJ_story.html



The problem is more of illegal EMPLOYERS, not immigrants...and those who are hiring such undocumented/illegal workers should be prosecuted too.
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 01:59 PM
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1. Any of them who crossed the border illegally are criminals.
Any of them who overstayed a legit visa have committed a civil infraction only.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 02:03 PM
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2. The article speaks to those who have been convicted of crimes. NT
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lauramolina Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 03:10 PM
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9. The Puritans who landed here in 1620 didn't have visas
...so they entered this country illegally. Should we deport their descendants?
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 03:14 PM
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10. The people who preceded them here didn't have immigration laws.
Should you take a refresher course on analogy?

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 03:30 PM
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12. Tautology alert. The immigrants didn't recognize their sovereignty, remember?
So their immigration policy is irrelevant.
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lauramolina Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 06:40 PM
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17. Check you own "analogy", pal
Native Americans didn't have immigration laws so genocide is OK?
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 02:13 PM
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3. Good.
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Lunabelle Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 02:14 PM
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4. I don't have a problem with this
I have a problem with them harassing families who have been here for years and made a good living. They and their children need a path to citizenship. We need the DREAM Act!
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Wait Wut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 02:27 PM
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5. Agreed 100%
They commit crimes, they can leave. They come here and are positive members of the community, let them stay.
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nyy1998 Donating Member (984 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 02:36 PM
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7. +2 nt
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 04:42 PM
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15. What about identity theft?
Is that a crime?
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Wait Wut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 05:46 PM
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16. Yes.
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Lunabelle Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 09:12 AM
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32. Sure it is a crime
But it isn't always a felony. Those laws differ from state to state and the intent is taken into account. So, maybe a misdemeanor violation, restitution and if they have been a good person other than this, a path to citizenship.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 07:56 PM
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35. If I did it
I would be on a path to losing my rights, a/k/a prison. Why it is winked at when illegal aliens do it is beyond me.
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 04:17 PM
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14. We need COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM. And we need it yesterday.
Edited on Thu Aug-18-11 04:18 PM by Unvanguard
And failing that, we need a general moratorium on deportations that doesn't just select out preferred subsets of undocumented people. This policy clearly will help DREAM Act students, it will probably help people married to a same-sex US citizen spouse, but it's not clear that it will help long-term undocumented residents.
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 07:17 PM
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18. the NY Times angle on this has whispers of DREAM
That article "Deportation Halted for Younger Immigrants" opened:

The Obama administration announced on Thursday that it would generally not deport or expel illegal immigrants who had come to the United States as young children and graduated from high school or served in the armed forces.

White House and immigration officials said they would exercise “prosecutorial discretion” to allow these people to stay in the country while the government focused its enforcement efforts on higher-priority cases involving criminals and people who had flagrantly violated immigration laws.

President Obama is, in effect, doing administratively what he could not persuade Congress to do — allowing the secretary of homeland security to provide relief to a select group of students who are here illegally but show great promise.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 02:29 PM
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6. I would have thought those would be the "front of the line" cases

But good on them for moving that up.

It's one thing for folks to keep a low profile and generate economic activity. It's another thing entirely to commit other crimes while here.

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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 02:39 PM
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8. As I understand it,
they are only "front of the line" on paper. In reality the government is lazy and goes after the low hanging fruit: That is, people with jobs, families, homes, kids, because they are easy to find. Of course, those should be last in line.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 03:28 PM
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11. Wait a minute, this was supposed to be ICE's mission,
to deport criminal aliens. So, this is an admission that all these years, they've been doing something else.
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 04:03 PM
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13. Not good enough--not even close--but it's something. n/t
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 07:19 PM
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19. Some of this sounds not too bad.
Edited on Thu Aug-18-11 07:19 PM by Lone_Star_Dem
Immigrant-rights groups hailed the decision as a major breakthrough that will protect illegal immigrants who were brought to the United States as children. Opponents said the new policy ignores immigration law and will allow people in the country illegally to stay so long as they do not commit serious crimes.

Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano laid out the new process in a letter to members of Congress, saying DHS and the Department of Justice had created a working group to evaluate all pending deportation cases –- estimated to be more than 300,000 –- and would also screen all new cases. Under the guidelines, auditors would consider a person's age when they arrived in the country, their criminal record, their education and whether they served in the military when determining whether to move forward with their deportation case.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/08/feds-to-review-all-deportation-cases-to-cull-serious-crimes/1


I'm not thrilled with the "indefinite stay" only opening a door to a work permit and not citizenship, but if your family is all here, and you're facing deportation, it's better than the current system.
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 07:50 PM
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20. and without citizenship I doubt that the people w/work permits will have labor law protections
so their employers can still get away with breaking minimum wage and workplace conditions when it comes to them, can't they?
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:32 PM
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21. It would depend on what type of work visa they give them.
For the most part the employer is required to pay at least minimum wage, compensate them for overtime fairly, permit them to join a union if they so choose and not make illegal deductions from their paychecks.

There are exceptions, such as temporary agricultural worker's pay, and working conditions, however.
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Playinghardball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:49 PM
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22. Obama halts some immigration cases
Source: Bostom.com

The Obama administration took one of its boldest steps yet toward addressing illegal immigration today by announcing it would halt potentially thousands of cases in federal immigration court if they do not involve criminals or people with flagrant immigration violations.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said today that the agency will launch a case-by-case review of 300,000 cases pending in immigration courts across the nation to focus on the federal government’s top priority, detaining and deporting criminals and serious violators of immigration law.

Immigrants classified as low-priority cases could receive a stay of deportation and the chance to apply for a work permit.

The move is likely to inflame political tensions nationwide as a campaign issue in 2012, and it has major implications in Massachusetts, which has the second-highest immigration court backlog in the United States. All manner of immigrants in the court pipeline could stand to benefit from the policy shift, from factory workers snatched in the 2007 New Bedford raid, to same-sex couples about to be separated, to youths facing deportation.



Read more: http://www.boston.com/Boston/metrodesk/2011/08/immigration/xVwK5kIcuveuzkoAFlilFJ/index.html
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:49 PM
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23. Excellent news!!!
:bounce:
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:49 PM
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24. K&R n/t
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:50 PM
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25. That is a positive thing.
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AbortiononDemand Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:50 PM
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26. That is excellent news and now
I can add something new to "WTF has Obama Done for Us?" http://diaryofarepublicanhater.blogspot.com/2011/08/wtf-has-obama-done-for-us.html
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:50 PM
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27. Awesome news.
One of my biggest disappointments concerning Obama has been his excessive use of deportation. But it looks like he is changing for the better!
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:50 PM
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28. K&R. nt
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:50 PM
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29. Not to look a gift horse in the mouth, but
I am sure there are MANY people already deported by Obama who could have used this type of policy.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:50 PM
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30. Rep. Gutierrez: DHS deportation announcement "an important victory for sensible immigration policy"

GUTIERREZ CALLS DHS DEPORTATION ANNOUNCEMENT AN IMPORTANT VICTORY FOR SENSIBLE IMMIGRATION POLICY

"I am proud of the President and Secretary Napolitano for standing up for a more rational approach to enforcing our current immigration laws," Congressman says

(Washington) – Today, Congressman Luis V. Gutierrez (D-IL) issued a statement reacting to an announcement that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) would review deportation cases based on newly-issued guidelines establishing which cases are priorities for deportation and which are not. The review of pending deportation cases and the instructions to all elements of DHS over how immigrants that meet certain criteria should be handled has come after months of sustained advocacy by Congressman Gutierrez, the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, other Democratic leaders in the House and Senate, and determined public pressure by from clergy, advocates, immigrants, and DREAM Act students nationwide. The announcement by DHS will apparently make one of Congressman Gutierrez' key demands a reality: putting a halt to the deportation of young people who were brought to the U.S. as children and who are crime free and pursuing their education; in other words, those who would qualify for the DREAM Act, which was passed by the House of Representatives in 2010 but died in the Senate when only 55 out of 100 Senators voted to move the bill forward.

The Congressman was briefed on today's DHS announcement by the Director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) John Morton by telephone yesterday evening. The following is a statement by Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez:


I have been vocal in my criticism of the President and his Administration over the dramatic increase in deportations on his watch and have traveled the country urging him to use his power under existing law to do what he can to help. This is the Barack Obama I have been waiting for and that Latino and immigrant voters helped put in office to fight for sensible immigration policies. Focusing scarce resources on deporting serious criminals, gang bangers, and drug dealers and setting aside non-criminals with deep roots in the U.S. until Congress fixes our laws is the right thing to do and I am proud of the President and Secretary Napolitano for standing up for a more rational approach to enforcing our current immigration laws.

Today is a victory not just for immigrants but for the American people as a whole because it makes no sense to deport DREAM Act students and others who can make great contributions to America and pose no threat. It is not in our national interest to send away young people who were raised in the U.S. and have been educated here and want only to contribute to this country's success.

I have asked ICE Director John Morton to come to Capitol Hill and brief Members of Congress on how this will affect their constituents as soon as Congress reconvenes. My Chicago office and Congressional offices across the country have been inundated with cases of DREAM Act students, military families, and U.S. citizens whose families are being threatened with deportation or who have actually been deported. Putting the new priorities into practice so that cases can be reviewed and getting the word out to caseworkers in Congressional offices, in the legal community, and to individual immigrants facing deportation is critical and time-sensitive and we will work with ICE and DHS on that immediately.

This action does not address all of my concerns, but it is the start of a process that will save many American families and individuals who deserve to live long and productive lives in this country. There are still U.S. citizens and legal permanent residents in families with undocumented immigrants who can obtain legal status under existing law, but who do not do so because of an unfair three- and ten-year penalty barring them from the U.S. if they apply. The rapidly expanding "Secure Communities" state and local enforcement program that undermines public safety and has caught tens of thousands of non-criminals in its dragnet remains a big problem. But today's announcement shows that this President is willing to put muscle behind his words and to use his power to intervene when the lives of good people are being ruined by bad laws.


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AbortiononDemand Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 09:48 PM
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31. It's an improvement in priority in any case
Though I agree in general about not persecuting illegal aliens. Honestly I think we should welcome far more. While Perry's "Texas Miracle" is a mirage one thing that is clear from the Texas experience is that immigrants are good for the economy.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 09:45 AM
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34. Felons should be the #1 priority of immigration policy.
n/t
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