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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 07:58 AM
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Arab League urges Syria to end bloodshed
Source: Euronews

The Arab League has called for an end to bloodshed in Syria “before it is too late” and urged respect for its people’s right to reforms.

Secretary-General Nabil Elaraby will travel to Damascus to try to mediate a solution to the crisis, following a special meeting of the body in Cairo. It was its first official gathering on Syria since the start of five months of unrest that the UN says has left more than 2,000 people dead.

Pro-democracy protesters hostile to President Assad made sure their voices were heard outside the League’s headquarters in the Egyptian capital.

Many Arab commentators have criticised the organisation for its timid reaction to the crackdown.

Read more: http://www.euronews.net/2011/08/28/arab-league-urges-syria-to-end-bloodshed/
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 08:08 AM
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1. Uprising in Libya, Arab League asks U.S./UN to intevene. Uprising in Syria, Arab League asks Assad
to recognize the right of the people to reform.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 09:36 AM
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2. Once again, if you are trying to overthrow a government, expect a crackdown.
All governemnts will do it.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 09:47 AM
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3. WHAT overthrow? Citizens protested peacefully for reform
Making it sound like people were attacking the government with tanks and artillery is revisionist.

Fortunately, our memories aren't THAT short.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 10:00 AM
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4. All that video must be made up then.
Edited on Sun Aug-28-11 10:02 AM by Arctic Dave
Since you seem to think the US wouldn't crack down in the same way, get a large group of people and tell Washington DC you no longer are the legimate government and want them to step down. Do this with the backing of China also. See what the response from the government is. Get back to me mmkay.

If the police aren't enough, they will send in the military (aka national guard) to help you come to your senses. Just like in these other countries. If you think using your AR or AK is beneficial I will advise you up front that their response will not be what you expect.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 11:08 AM
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7. Obama did not massacre Tea Party activists. So, you are plainly stating a falsehood.
Do you offer anything but support for dictators here?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 08:22 AM
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20. The Tea Partiers did not meet the criteria set out in Arctic Dave's post, so you should not call him
a liar.

Your claim tht he supportd dictators s plain ludicrous..
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 12:31 PM
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 01:23 PM
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10. The people obviously don't know what's good for them
They should have just licked their wounds, buried their dead, kept quiet, and looked forward, not backward. Self-defense is SO over-rated, anyway...
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 04:23 PM
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11. Is that the best you can come up with\?
Like I have to explain to everyone else, try doing that here and see what it gets you.

What "inalienable rights" are they not getting? Free education? Medical benefits? Owning their own businesses and houses? They get all those things. Or are you trying to say that they need something like our disfunctional paralyzed system of governence like ours? The one that bombs countries, imprisons people indefinately, spies on it's citizens and is politicaly corrupt just to name a few.
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jzodda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 05:07 PM
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12. The situation in Syria started out peaceful enough
The people just started out asking for reform and marching peacefully. The regime responded with an ever escalating violent response which has lead us to where we are today.

You sound like you support the Syrian regime to some degree. Is that true? If not they what do you think the people there should do to realize their dream of freedom.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 05:21 PM
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13. What you call reform a governemnt calls trying to overthrow it.
Quick exercize for you, what does the police do to people do to people who refuse to disband? If the police force is not enough the national guard is called in. Correct?
If you are stupid enough to get violent in your response don't be suprised when you are met with force. It is that simple. If you are doing all this with the backing of foriegn influence you should definatlely be prepared to have the military intervene. This is not rocket science. I'm sure if one were to dig into the US response to such things our plan of response would be more similar then people would like to admit.

Why are you for violent coups anyways?
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jzodda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 05:23 PM
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14. What if the Gov responds with violence first?
I am not for violent Coups but sometimes people are left without options. In this case the gov started firing on peaceful marches. It slowly escalated to what we have now.

The people there are not stupid-they are desperate and you still have not answered my basic question as to what you think the people there should do.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 05:35 PM
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15. Since niether one of us was there then we don't know exactly what happened.
No one has yet to explain to me, what rights besides electing a national leader, do they not have? Peope say they are corrupt but then they change the subject when confronted with our own corruption. They say their leaders are blind to their wants but when confroted with the fact that ours are too they change the subject. When we find out they get free education and healthcare the proponents of the overthrow say that it doesn't matter because they are "not free" but never give details to what this means. It seems the majority of the population is just looking and watching while a small, although diverse segment takes up arms and fights. When I tell people the teabaggers are just as diverse they change the subject.

Most retorts seem to deal with abstracts and heartstring type stories that when looked at closely, we don't even enjoy in this country.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 08:19 AM
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19. Who are you purporting to quote? Arctic Dave never said anything like 'it is all perfectly moral."
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 10:50 AM
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24. Yes, but some governments have moral authority to crackdown and some don't.
Assad is a dictator, as was his daddy, the people had no voice in choosing them and have been ruled by the Assads ever since Nixon was President.

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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 10:02 AM
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5. Unrec for more war drum beating.
:puke:
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 11:09 AM
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8. So, you think it's wrong to criticize Assad for being a mass-murdering dictator?
Funny how many on the left never miss a chance to stand by a dictator.

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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 09:27 AM
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22. I would BOMB HIM then implement some sort of Sharia-based constitution, post haste!
"Funny how many on the left never miss a chance to stand by a dictator."

Funny how some "on the left" never met a war they didn't like.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 11:05 AM
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6. The Middle Eastern version of the strongly worded letter?
The Assad family will relinquish power when they are good and ready (i.e. never),
or they will be removed by force in an ugly, bloody struggle. I don't see another
end to the situation in Syria.

Outside intervention will hasten Assad's fall, but he won't go quietly unless Iran
tells him it's time to call it quits.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 08:29 AM
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21. Not the Middle Eastern version, but the Arab League version.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 05:38 PM
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 08:03 PM
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17. Syria rejects Arab League statement demanding end to bloodshed.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/08/2011828132644450754.html

Syrian security forces have shot dead two people and wounded nine others in the northwestern province of Idlib, activists from the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said. "Two people were killed and another nine wounded in the Khan Sheikhun area near Idlib (city) during an incursion by security forces and the army," Observatory head Rami Abdel Rahman told the AFP news agency on Sunday.

The bloodshed prompted the Arab League to agree to go to Damascus bearing "an initiative to solve the crisis" in Syria, a statement said after a special meeting of Arab foreign ministers in Egypt.

It did not give details of the initiative, but Al Jazeera has learned that some of the suggestions would include the holding of presidential elections, withdrawal of the army from the cities, the release of political prisoners and those rounded up in the protests, and the formation of a national unity government that includes members from the opposition.

However, Syria on Sunday reportedly rejected the statement, in a diplomatic protest memo presented to the Arab League, sources told Al Jazeera. The memo said the release of the statement was in contrast to what was agreed to during the meeting. According to the Syrians, they agreed on a visit from the Arab League chief Nabil Al Araby, but said that no statement was going to be issued at the end.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 09:16 PM
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18. c'mon, Ass-ad...."before it is too late"
....it's time for you to go....give the people you love so much a break....you're on the wrong side of history and you know it....the will of your people shall not be denied....think big and save a life or two....

....I hear it's a beautiful spring in South America this year....
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 09:29 AM
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23. US: Lost wars in 'Nam, Iraq, Afghan. Got a vicarious thrill from "helping" Libya
from the sidelines.

Are we emboldened enough to take on Syria? Perhaps we should start by REALLY KICKING YEMEN'S ASS???? :hi:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 12:43 PM
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25. Syrian activists warn against taking up arms

By ELIZABETH A. KENNEDY - Associated Press | AP – 32 mins ago


BEIRUT (AP) — Syrians should not take up arms in their uprising against President Bashar Assad or invite foreign military action like the intervention that helped topple the government of Libya, a prominent activist group warned Monday.


There have been scattered reports of some Syrians using automatic rifles, rocket-propelled grenades and improvised weapons to repel government troops, but there appears to have been no organized armed resistance to Assad during the five-month uprising.


Calls to launch such a resistance have been rare, but they were more widely reported than usual by witnesses at protests in Syria on Friday, at the end of a week that saw Tripoli fall to rebels fighting Moammar Gadhafi with the help of NATO.


"While we understand the motivation to take up arms or call for military intervention, we specifically reject this position," said a statement emailed by the Local Coordination Committees, an activist group with a wide network of sources on the ground across Syria. "Militarization would ... erode the moral superiority that has characterized the revolution since its beginning."

...


http://news.yahoo.com/syrian-activists-warn-against-taking-arms-162916519.html




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