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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 09:17 PM
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Facing Cuts, a City Repeals Its Domestic Violence Law (Topeka, Kansas)
Source: NY Times

TOPEKA, Kan. — The startling vote came up at a City Council meeting here on Tuesday, provoked by a run-of-the-mill budget dispute over services that had spun out of control: decriminalize domestic violence.

Three arms of government, all ostensibly representing the same people, have been at an impasse over who should be responsible for — and pay for — prosecuting people accused of misdemeanor cases of domestic violence.

City leaders had blamed the Shawnee County district attorney for handing off such cases to the city without warning. The district attorney, in turn, said he was forced to not prosecute any misdemeanors and to focus on felonies because the County Commission cut his budget. And county leaders accused the district attorney of using abused women as pawns to negotiate more money for his office.

After both sides dug in, the dispute came to a head Tuesday night.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/12/us/topeka-moves-to-decriminalize-domestic-violence.html



Anything from the typical right-wing "family values" groups? ANYTHING? Oh wait, the gay agenda is a worse threat.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 09:18 PM
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1. Words fail me
except the four-letter, offensive kind.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 09:23 PM
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2. Yet, U.S. troops are in Afghanistan
Supposedly to ensure women's rights and safety.

The government can afford it there, but not in the U.S.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 09:42 PM
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4. The cobbler's children are barefoot
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 09:37 PM
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3. They are throwing it to the state to enforce.
I have no idea if that would work better or not.
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 09:48 PM
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6. hmm, wonder if Kansas prosecutes crimes like this at the state level
most state level crimes are prosecuted locally by county district attorneys.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 09:53 PM
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8. Good grief...Gov Brownback is preparing tax cuts.
That can't be good.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 09:44 PM
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5. That Eternal Question: What the Hell Is the Matter with Kansas? springs to mind
My condo neighbor is from there. I'm hoping she dies soon, from carrying around all that hate.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 09:50 PM
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7. What's the matter with Kansas?
EVERYTHING.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 09:56 PM
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9. In this thread, we find out who reads the articles.
Hint: the first sentence is totally misleading.
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So Shall Us Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 11:02 PM
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11. How so?
The article goes on to read:

By a vote of 7 to 3, the City Council repealed the local law that makes domestic violence a crime.

The move, the councilors were told, would force District Attorney Chad Taylor to prosecute the cases because they would remain a crime under state law, a conclusion with which he grudgingly agreed. The Council also approved negotiations to resolve the impasse.

Several victims of domestic violence spoke against the proposal at the meeting, questioning whether it would succeed in forcing the district attorney to resume prosecutions. “It is your responsibility to protect these people, and you??re failing,” said Matthew Agnew, 24, one such victim.

Eighteen people have been arrested on domestic violence charges since September and released without charges because no agency is accepting new cases. That has raised concerns among advocates for victims of domestic violence, some of whom gathered Tuesday outside government buildings to express outrage over the gamesmanship.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 11:12 PM
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12. "decriminalize domestic violence. " Is the wrong part.
It's still criminal.

In your own quote: would force District Attorney Chad Taylor to prosecute the cases because they would remain a crime under state law.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 11:46 PM
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24. And If He Decides Not To Do Them Anyways.... (n/t)
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 01:22 AM
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26. Then it's still criminal.
Not effectively enforced, but still criminal.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 09:22 PM
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40. Ah, Lookie Here....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x5024767

And also, it's not "criminal" unless the guy gets convicted, which he won't be if the prosecutor doesn't do jack shit about it.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 12:14 AM
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41. So, if you rape and kill 100 people, it's not "criminal" without a conviction?
I'm not following this chain of logic....

Is it only criminal if you get caught, and are convicted?

Does that sum up your perspective?
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 11:49 AM
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42. Innocent Until Proven Guilty
That *does* register with you, right?
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 11:18 PM
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13. You sure nailed that one. n/t
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 10:47 PM
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10. Maybe they could try the Alabama strategy...
...stick the perpetrators in Church for a year...
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 05:54 AM
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32. You can force people to sit in church but you can't make 'em listen
Church, once a week and continue to beat the wife the rest of the week or jail.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 11:27 PM
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14. Where is Dorothy When You Need Her?
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 11:42 PM
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15. So where are all the Bible Thumpers about this?
...outrageous.
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 11:43 PM
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16. Facing Cuts, a City Repeals Its Domestic Violence Law
Source: The New York Times

TOPEKA, Kan. — The startling vote came up at a City Council meeting here on Tuesday, provoked by a run-of-the-mill budget dispute over services that had spun out of control: decriminalize domestic violence.

Three arms of government, all ostensibly representing the same people, have been at an impasse over who should be responsible for — and pay for — prosecuting people accused of misdemeanor cases of domestic violence.

City leaders had blamed the Shawnee County district attorney for handing off such cases to the city without warning. The district attorney, in turn, said he was forced to not prosecute any misdemeanors and to focus on felonies because the County Commission cut his budget. And county leaders accused the district attorney of using abused women as pawns to negotiate more money for his office.

After both sides dug in, the dispute came to a head Tuesday night.

By a vote of 7 to 3, the City Council repealed the local law that makes domestic violence a crime.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/12/us/topeka-moves-to-decriminalize-domestic-violence.html?_r=1&smid=tw-nytimes&seid=auto



Apparently, they think they have to endanger the victims in order to save them.

By repealing the law, they think that will force the county to keep prosecuting the cases because it is still a crime in Kansas, for the time being. Meanwhile, as the article says, 18 cases have been released since September because no agency will take new cases or file charges.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 11:43 PM
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17. How do you know a society is going to implode? It fucks up its women.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 11:43 PM
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18. However there will be an agency available for drug prosecution though...
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 11:43 PM
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19. Drugs are evil

You'll see when you watch "reefer madness" stoned.
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Muskypundit Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 11:43 PM
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20. It is simple. Women are not people. But men are, and drugs could hurt men.
:sarcasm:
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toddwv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 11:43 PM
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21. Hmmmm...guess I need to put Kansas on my list of places to avoid.
"Some critics pointed out that even as local governments are cutting deeper into important services, Gov. Sam Brownback, a Republican, is preparing a sweeping tax cut plan."
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 11:43 PM
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22. WTF?!
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renko Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 11:43 PM
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23. Another GOP "Beat Your Wife" state. "Family Values, Seig Heil."
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Seedersandleechers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 01:21 AM
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25. What a difference one block makes!
I live in Missouri but if I walk out my front door and go one block west I'm in Kansas. But in Kansas I can ride a motorbike without a helmet.
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 01:25 AM
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27. What's up, Dorothy? I went to google maps and found this "state line road" at the KS/MO border
between the two Kansas Cities.
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Seedersandleechers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 01:53 AM
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29. Yes, it's a trip living so close to another state.


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radhika Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 01:30 AM
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28. Must be great to be a woman in Kansas...
Defunding Planned Parenthood
Restricting Title X funds for family planning services
Insurers not permitted to pay for legal abortion services
No legal protection against domestic violence

Seriously, the next step will be to enslave, rape and forcibly impregnate females to fulfill the biblical mandate: breed and multiply. Then beat the crap out of them if they don't submit with a smile.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 04:41 AM
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30. Well repealing it makes it go away right?
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 05:16 AM
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31. How about they stop prosecuting misdemeanor pot posession instead??? n/t
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Luciferous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 06:27 AM
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34. That was my first thought as well.
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Heywood J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 05:55 AM
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33. Ah, the home town of the WBC. I didn't expect much here and I wasn't disappointed. (NT)
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 06:11 PM
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39. First it happens in Brownbackistan...
Soon the 1% will be safe behind the walls of their gated communities with private police forces to protect them and the 99% of the rest of us will be on our own.

But hey if you ain't rich its your own fault according to Cain the pizza delivery man.

The 1% already don't give a damn if you have healthcare, a job, a future or a roof over your head. I'm sure they could care less if you have laws and police protection.

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