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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 06:26 PM
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Pastor, Eight Others Arrested in Prostitution Sting
Source: KCRG

Rev. Jonathan L. Offt, 41, of Cedar Rapids, the senior pastor at Trinity Lutheran Church, was the first person arrested in the operation conducted by the Marion Police Department and the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation, police said. All of the men responded to an advertisement on a website and arranged to meet an undercover female officer who was posing as a prostitute.

Marion police Sgt. Lance Miller said Offt arrived at the meeting place and was arrested when he offered money in exchange for a sex act. Officers in tactical gear performed the arrests.

“After that, he was pretty sullen,” Miller said.

Offt’s name was removed from the church website Monday afternoon, and Rev. David Miller’s title was updated from assistant pastor to pastor.

Read more: http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/Pastor-Eight-Others-Arrested-in-Prostitution-Sting-131989808.html



Sigh.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 06:30 PM
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1. He was just doing the Gods' work
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PatrynXX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 09:09 PM
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24. thats an old one
the message counts, not the messenger. if the messenger counts more than the message, that person should be removed...
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 06:30 PM
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2. Quote of the week (& it is only Monday): "After that, he was pretty sullen."
Sullen for being busted or sullen that his sexual fantasies weren't coming true?
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 06:33 PM
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4. I hear Preacher Interruptus can be rough.
:shrug:
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 06:30 PM
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3. Is everybody involved here a consenting adult?
If so then I must question why law enforcement is wasting taxpayer money on this.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 06:33 PM
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5. Making the arrests in tactical gear.
LOL at these Rambo wannabes.

Signed, A combat vet.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 06:35 PM
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8. Heh, c'mon, I mean what if the Pastor invoked the wrath of God?
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marasinghe Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 06:57 PM
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14. and the cops would need protection from the spraying of holy water. n/t
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 07:57 PM
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21. Your homeland security dollars at work!
WTF?!? :eyes: They need to cut their budget, along with the DoD.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 09:57 PM
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26. Yep, pure theater
Most johns can be handled by an ordinary plainclothes cop, or certainly a typical uniformed one.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 06:38 PM
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9. With that, I very much agree.
The apparent irony is the reason for this story getting traction, no pun intended, here on DU. It just plain rubs some wrong. It's not the deed as much as it's the dirt.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 06:48 PM
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12. Chasing after real criminals costs a lot of money
Edited on Mon Oct-17-11 06:49 PM by Art_from_Ark
It's much easier and cheaper just to create "instant criminals" who can be arrested on the spot.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 07:00 PM
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15. The answer:
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ey0zU879yQ">Your Fascist Superhero



K&R
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LadyHawkAZ Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 07:21 PM
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18. There's a school of though that holds "women can't consent"
apparently, when presented with cash, there's a chemical reaction with the ink that makes our brains turn to mush, we flop over in an involuntary muscle spasm and spread our legs. And then men (who are slavering monsters, one and all) climb on board and take advantage. We are therefore incapable of choosing for ourselves and must be protected from the slavering monsters with the righteous, godly armor of a criminal record and a permanent bar from most forms of legitimate employment. And all slavering monsters must be jailed. Expense?? Pfft! No expense should be spared!!

I wish I could use the sarcasm tag, but there are really people who think that way.
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oldbanjo Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 08:32 PM
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22. It should be legal.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 02:07 PM
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32. No, we're not. I'm an adult, but "consent" is abused all the time...
By corporations, by "laws" such as the Patriot act, by contracts with dozens of pages of fine print

I have no objection to erotica, or sex. I DO object to the trivializing of the notion of consent, and in the big picture, the number of prostitutes who "consent" to their lifestyle as opposed to being driven to it, is pretty small.

If they are really consenting, and not just trying to make an economic deal, why don't they just have sex then? Presumably both parties like it, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 02:50 PM
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34. A wonderful thought aptly written.
A wonderful thought and aptly written. +1
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 03:46 PM
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35. While I agree with the point you make,
the reaction society has to it is completely counter-productive.

Women in bad situations are driven to things they may not want to do, so we send in cops with riot gear to arrest them, charge them with a crime, put their name in the paper, and give them a criminal record. And in some areas put them on the sex offender registry. (Only the woman, of course. Wouldn't want to hurt a man's credibility in the community or anything.) It not only doesn't help the bad situation, it actually makes it worse and makes it more likely to be permanent.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 05:51 PM
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37. Thank you.
It drives me crazy that the same people who likely (hopefully) would be opposed to eliminating work safety standards, minimum wage and other labor protections suddenly believe that "consent" is the only thing that matters.

In this day and age, I'm sure many would be willing to consent to all manner of abuse for some under the table cash. Should we legalize every transaction based on the flimsy consent argument?
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 02:09 PM
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33. +1
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 06:33 PM
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6. When I got to "Thou shalt not commit adultery", I remembered where I left my bike.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 06:35 PM
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7. Nothing to be ashamed of, Reverend. Christ hung out with hookers, too . . .
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vets74 Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 06:38 PM
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10. Nice short reminder of hypocrisy. Thanks.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 06:41 PM
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11. The Cops got Offt
not so for the Pastor.
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bluedigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 06:54 PM
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13. Eight "others" greatly relieved...
Just not in the way they were planning on.:)
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 07:01 PM
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16. ROFL!!!!
Oh those Holy and Pious Family Values!

Hope they got good value for the money!!!!!
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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 09:07 PM
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23. And check out the very Brady Bunch photo lineup of these guys!
Here's the story from the Gazette, complete with this photo lineup.



...that's the way we all became the Brady Bunch!
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 12:17 AM
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27. Ewwwwwww! Super Creepy CREEPS!
Hell...none of them that I personally would want to be sleeping with...free or otherwise!
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 07:04 PM
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17. Ah yes, the government butting into the sex lives of consenting adults again.
Screw like bunnies all day long for free and nobody cares, but hand over a $100 bill for the same act and you get arrested, fined, and publicly humiliated.

Land of the free?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 07:23 PM
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19. Oh, look! It's one of those anti-choice, anti-gay churches!
Edited on Mon Oct-17-11 07:34 PM by Ian David
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 07:55 PM
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20. It's all right. He has apologized, and
Jesus and his wife have forgiven him.
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left on green only Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 09:45 PM
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25. Why can't the johns sue the pigs for entrapment?
That's the only crime I can see that took place here.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 03:58 PM
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36. It's only entrapment
when they entice or persuade you to do something that you wouldn't ordinarily do.
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bloomington-lib Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 03:56 AM
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28. And then next week one of the cops or judges involved will be caught in a prostitution sting
Just regulate it and be done with the whole thing
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 05:38 AM
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29. Really.
I don't care about that stuff. I say that and I really do care about the women and wish they could find themselves a better way to live.
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bloomington-lib Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 06:35 AM
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30. I wish they could too
Edited on Tue Oct-18-11 06:47 AM by bloomington-lib
But dealing with the reality of it, prostitution will never go away.

If it's regulated, it will move from the underground to the "aboveground". If you had to have a license, you know whose in it, and who controls it. It would offer better conditions such as frequent health checks, approved working conditions, and more say in what that "profession" is.

When something like this is illegal, it basically makes everything "legal". No age requirements, no safety requirements, and whatever the pimps or the customers want, they get without concern for the women/men doing the actual work.

I'm in Italy now and you can see prostitutes dropped off in the fields next to roads waiting for the johns. They're from Africa and Eastern Europe, being used by the pimps for their own gain. There is nothing stopping the pimps and johns from abusing these people. The women/men are stuck without a voice in the whole matter. Basically slaves earning no money and living in danger daily.

If it was regulated, you would have a say in where these transactions take place. No one would choose to being taken out to a field or being stuck in a basement with a dirty mattress (I don't think the johns would chose that either). You would have a say in how much you were being paid. No one would choose to work for free. You would be required to get frequent health checks. No one would choose to get, keep, and pass diseases. It would be taxed, meaning you now how a voice in the political system of that area and a portion of that money would be used to improve the lives of those people. Johns would no longer go to the ones not following the rules when the conditions are better in the places that are.

Do I personally think prostitution should exist in society? No, in a perfect society it would not. But it does, and making a moral issue illegal does not solve the problems mentioned above.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 10:13 AM
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31. Hopefully, some day the degradation of women
and children in the sex trade will end.

I'm not hopeful that it will end very soon.

I've never understood why men would even consider doing this sort of thing. I just don't get it.
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