Britain suing Europe to stop 'benefit tourism'

dipsydoodle

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Sat Nov-05-11 03:59 AM
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Britain suing Europe to stop 'benefit tourism'

Edited on Sat Nov-05-11 04:03 AM by dipsydoodle

Source: Daily Telegraph

The Government is to take the historic step of suing the European Commission to stem the growing tide of �benefit tourism�.

Ministers have discovered that the EU is currently seeking to negotiate deals with Ukraine and north African countries that could result in millions of people being given the right to claim state pensions and benefits in this country.

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In September, it emerged that the EU was threatening Britain with legal action after this country refused to pay some benefits to other European citizens who have not worked or lived here. Britain has been given a two month deadline to reverse the decision but will refuse and is braced for court action.

But a �new front� of the battle has been opened up as the EU has begun agreeing reciprocal benefit arrangements with other countries.

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8871395/Britain-suing-Europe-to-stop-benefit-tourism.html

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w0nderer

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Sat Nov-05-11 05:25 AM
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1. k&r for reading later n/t

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McCamy Taylor

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Sat Nov-05-11 06:31 AM
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2. The article makes ZERO sense. Anyone care to decipher it? Is Britain being asked to pay benefits

to workers in other European countries? Like Social Security?

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muriel_volestrangler

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Sat Nov-05-11 06:53 AM
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3. To pay benefits to citizens of other EU countries who have come to the UK

Here's a BBC report on the earlier news:

A range of entitlements - including child benefit, child tax credit, state pension credit, jobseekers' allowance and employment and support allowance - are given only to those with a "right to reside" in the UK.

The Commission says there are already an EU-wide "habitual residence" rules which are strict enough and the UK is imposing an additional test, which indirectly discriminates against non-UK EU nationals.

While UK nationals can easily prove their "right to reside" based on their UK citizenship, other EU nationals have their applications heard on a case-by-case basis, which it says breaches EU social security co-ordination rules giving all citizens equal rights.

The Commission gives the example of a woman who moved to the UK and worked from April 2007 to April 2009 when she was made redundant. It says she had paid taxes and National Insurance but was refused claims for jobseekers' allowance.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15120522

What the Telegraph now to be saying is that countries outside the EU - such as Norway and Switzerland, which are in the European Free Trade Association (and thus somewhat linked to the EU), and eventually countries further away, will have to be covered by a similar rule. However, the Telegraph's reporting on European issues can sometimes be misleading, and I'd rather see what a more reliable source says is proposed.

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dipsydoodle

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Sat Nov-05-11 08:01 AM
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4. I actually picked all up on BBC Radio 2 News

when the alarm awoke me this morning so not sure who got what first. That's including reference to the Ukraine and Africa.

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goforit

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Sat Nov-05-11 08:35 AM
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5. More propaganda?

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panzerfaust

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Sat Nov-05-11 08:57 AM
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6. Now if the UK only took the same stand against Libel Lawsuit Tourism

Oh. Righto - that brings money INTO the Empire.

British Banker Nathan Meyer Rothschild

Splendid Chaps, Those.

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TygrBright

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Sat Nov-05-11 03:06 PM
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7. So, Britain: How much did you make out of imperialism, net...

...between the 17th and mid-20th centuries?

How much did other imperialist European powers make out of it (again, net) in the same period?

What percentages of your GNP would that represent in today's dollars for an average year of your empires?

OK, well, the bills are coming due for that party, folks. They were YOUR empires, now you have the people of your former imperial territories looking for the payoff.

The fact that the less-successful former imperialist powers' victims are now presenting the bills to the more-successful former imperialist power is a delicious irony, don't you think?

No?

Tsk-tsk, where's that famous Brit sense of humor, these days?

interestedly,
Bright

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dipsydoodle

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Sat Nov-05-11 04:12 PM
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9. That's no more the point to that

Edited on Sat Nov-05-11 05:05 PM by dipsydoodle

than the fact that to atone for their antics in other countries over the past 100 years or so and the aggregate deaths and the effects on those populations adjusted for time would require the demise of the entire population of the USA by some form of blowback.

As such I suggest we leave that subect.

The fact remains that our welfare state is paid for by those in work here to cover those unable or ineligible to pay like children for example.The modle is based on our own population - not all and sundry.

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DeSwiss

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Sat Nov-05-11 03:53 PM
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8. K&R

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ClarkUSA

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Sun Nov-06-11 01:22 AM
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10. The Telegraph is a RW rag backing up a RW Tory PM and his posh aristo "let 'em eat cake" policies.

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MADem

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Sun Nov-06-11 01:56 AM
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11. Well, they've always kinda looked down their noses at the whole EU thing.

They refused to play the Euro game.

This could be the beginning of the end of a great experiment....or it could be just a big bump in the road....

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