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kera Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 12:35 AM
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US Troops In Iraq: Stoned on Drugs?


(Editor's Note: The Iraq War must be like Vietnam -- only the stoned survive. This troubling report by eyewitnesses describes US troops in Iraq going into battle under the influence of amphetamines. Pentagon officials say they are "safe.")

Mafkarat al-Islam’s correspondent in al-Fallujah reports that for more than 10 days the Resistance fighters in the besieged city have been remarking about a phenomenon that they find strange and surprising.

Resistance fighters have frequently noticed that many of the American aggressor troops are laughing as they storm into districts in al-Fallujah.

The Mafkarat al-Islam correspondent personally witnessed this clearly when he was close to the events as US aggressors tried to storm an-Nizal neighborhood in the besieged city on Saturday.

The correspondent wrote that he saw two American soldiers laughing, such as to arouse pity for them, despite all the Resistance gunfire being poured at their position and their comrades dying around them.
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=80&contentid=1198
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 12:41 AM
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1. Non-issue in my opinion...
If I knew I was fighting a politician's war, which a growing number of soldiers are beginning to realize (such as Viet Nam) I would want to at least keep my mind off the war, and ease the pain.
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Tom Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 01:00 AM
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2. oh yes a "non issue"...
Why not just feed the troops steroids and amphetamines as a matter of policy? Hop them up, pump them up, let them fire indiscriminately and mow down whatever moves over there in the name of "democracy"....just to keep their minds off the pain they endure and the knowledge their leaders have led them into this stupid war?
In other words keep the soldiers minds off the war by having them taking drugs so they laugh as they try to figure out which of the people (who we are supposed to be there freeing) are not the targets of their gunfire?

People are so fucked up...
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 01:12 AM
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5. I figured this would rub someone the wrong way...
First of all, I apologize. I skimmed the article briefly as its 2:00 a.m. and hadn't noticed the section where the two soldiers were laughing, this is hardly a laughing matter, nor is it acceptable to head into a fire-fight 'stoned'. I still stand by my initial statement, however. I know if I were dealing with the reality of life in a combat zone, I would want my mind taken of the current realities from time to time. Remember, nearly 40% of the current rotation is nearly Reserve and National Guard at this point. This being your banker, your dentist, your highway department worker who, while accepting the reality that perhaps they may have enlisted with the possibility of deployment with an underlying mission, you tell me that they would have EVER imagined being put into this type of situation, my guess is that drug using or abusing soldiers in Iraq are attempting to manage with being shell shocked and traumatic combat stress in the easiest manner possible, a 'combat cocktail' or joint is the easiest way in a country that forbids alcohol. Look, I'm not making excuses for soldiers, merely offering explanations. Have you ever had to deal with life in a combat zone?
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 01:40 AM
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9. This isn't comparable to "recreational" drug use.
It fits the model of institutionalized "medication". Sure you want to trip on out of reality. Who doesn't. But in these cases, it isn't "your" choice. It's "part of the job".

Are you sure it will be much easier for them to deal with the consequences later on, when the high comes down. Or do they have a memory erase capsule for that one? As if their situation isn't bad enough, they are being used for chemical cocktail test tube soldiers.

Whatever they are being given is termed, "safe". Wouldn't it be bizarre if crates of ecstasy showed up on the docks? That would NEVER be allowed. Only drugs that make killing a blast are "safe".

If some soldier can't handle the "medication", and goes fruity, the frag team will take care of him, no worries.

This is not news to me. It's another shadow issue, and most likely will remain a shadow issue. Let's see. Does the pentagon know ANYONE who manufactures DRUGS?
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samadhi Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 01:04 AM
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3. I wonder
how easy is it to get weed in IRaq?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 01:06 AM
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4. You're kidding, right?
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samadhi Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 01:36 AM
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8. I might enlist
because its hard to find weed(at a reasonable cost) here.
$120 for a quarter is bullshit.
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 01:13 AM
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6. What if the heroin is coming from Afghanistan and is being given to
Edited on Wed Apr-28-04 01:17 AM by dArKeR
our soldiers for free. Taking a page from England spreading opium throughout China to subdue the opposition.

Wondering if the Iraqi women are the deliverers? Being from a Bush/Robertson America we're not allowed to bring up such discussions... but I'll give it a try and see what happens.

Do you honestly believe our soldiers are not achieving some kind of sex for 20 months? Are our troops all some kind of fundamentalist religious crusaders who with their shear willpower wil abstain from sex for 20 or more months?

I would assume the reality would be something like Vietnam. US Soldiers seeking sexual relationships with the local women inside the country. I would assume these women, in Vietnam, were the deliverers of the drugs to our soldiers.

Do you think aWol, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Perle, Gingrich, Lott, Hastert, Delay... had thought of this, the potential drug use and sexual relationships with Iraqi women?
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 02:27 AM
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14. What? - GeeDubya's crusaders having s-e-x ?? no - can't be !
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they wouldn't do that -

It would ruin the USA's image!

:eyes:
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 01:25 AM
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7. From time immemorable
soldiers have usually been given something before going into battle: rations of rum, whatever, ... in WWI before launching an attack on the soldiers in the trenches in front of them. How in hell are you going to get sane people to expose themselves to loss of life and limb, as well as kill another human being.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 01:52 AM
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11. The Zulus for example:
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/case_zulu/clues.html

<snip>

"On January 22, 1879 -- the legendary "Day of the Zulu," when more than twenty thousand Zulu warriors nearly wiped out the forces of the invading British army -- even the sun was on the side of the Zulu Nation. A partial solar eclipse during the battle obscured the view of the redcoats, making it difficult for them to see the attacking Zulu warriors. But the Zulu triumph on that day was no freak victory: it came about through a combination of superior battle strategy and fierce weapons, aided by potent traditional medicine."

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"Of course, the Zulu might never have vanquished the British at Isandlwana without the help of traditional Zulu medicines. Some scholars have suggested that Zulu pharmacopoeia provided more of a psychological boost than any real physiological effect. But recent scientific studies show that the medicines contained some very potent drugs. For example, warriors were given a cannabis (marijuana)-based snuff to take during battle. Analysis of the snuff has revealed that it contained extremely high levels of THC, a powerful hallucinogen, and yet no detectable levels of the chemicals that cause the sedative effects of marijuana.

Also in the Zulu war medicine chest: the bulb of a flower in the Amaryllis family, called Boophane disticha, or the Bushman Poison Bulb. Studies have shown that the bulb -- which was also used by southern Africans to help mummify bodies -- contains buphanidrine, an alkaloid, like codeine and morphine (although it is not related to them) with hallucinogenic and pain-killing properties. According to botanist Ben-Erik van Wyk of Rand Afrikaans University in Johannesburg, South Africa, the dosage of buphanidrine necessary to reduce pain is very close to the toxic dose, "but in a very experienced traditional healer's hands it should be safe. They usually assess the strength of a bulb by testing it on themselves."

In addition, warriors sometimes ingested a hallucinogenic mushroom containing a toxin called muscimol. The chemical, present in fly agaric -- a mushroom that can attract and kill flies -- is said to induce a state of expanded perception in those who ingest it. Warriors who consumed those mushrooms, researchers speculate, might have been utterly without fear, believing themselves impervious to British bullets."




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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 02:12 AM
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13. Yup, good example
and why were 'dum dums' invented? To stop warriors who were running 'amok' dead in their tracks.
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Christ was Socialist Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 01:43 AM
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10. During VietNam
Many soldiers renlisted because of the low drug prices, You could get a bottle of 100 proof rum for 1.50 american and a bag of heroin for about $5

In the mideast they deal in hashish.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 01:58 AM
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12. Heh heh.
Ah, yes. The always reputable... conspiracyplanet.com
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 05:36 AM
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15. Wouldn't Be Surprising
but Conspiracy Planet is not a recognized Late Breaking News Source. locking.
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