Bush, Kerry could be heading to November cliffhanger

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Bush, Kerry could be heading to November cliffhanger

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WASHINGTON (AFP) - Six months before their November 2 showdown, US President George W. Bush (news - web sites) and his Democratic rival John Kerry (news - web sites) are locked in a bitter battle for the White House that could rival the wild cliffhanger of 2000, analysts say.

The latest polls show the Republican president and the Massachusetts senator running neck and neck in an increasingly personal contest fought over the issues of the economy, Iraq (news - web sites) and the war on terror.

Bush has been taking hits over the mounting US death toll in Iraq and continued doubts about his management of the economy, while Kerry has been struggling to fend off Republican attacks on him as waffling and weak on defense.

But more fundamentally, analysts say, the two men are wrestling over a political landscape that has become highly polarized in the past two decades with the balance of power hanging on a knife's edge.

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that is why we need to get out the "Kerry landslide" meme. It can and will be done, we all just have to work hard for it.

Screw those bastards we will not let them STEAL another one!

geez--is HE not running for president? Does he NOT want to win?

Why is it "up to us"to get the "meme" out?

Does he NOT want to commit himself to anything? Is he being like Bush, relying on others to get his mnessage out.

I am sick of it./

Kerry better get on his horse and start galloping.

I do not have the money that he has. I can do my part, but I am poor.
Kerry needs to assert himself and get off the intrenched beltway.

I am sorry--he is too entrenched and I CANNOT do it for him , if that is what is expected.

I want a leader for president, not a person who expects others to do his leading for him while he reserves his decisions so that perhaps he may deny it in the future.

I have had it with the way we decide who is to be the next president. It is NOT a democratic process any longer.

Every one of us has to vote. Every one of us has to encourage someone else to vote. We are the people, we do the deciding, and this time, WE are not going to be undermined by those who would so laughingly eschew the will of the American people. We either take this one back or hang it up forever, because eight years of neoconservatist profiteering is going to change America so fundamentally that you might as well shitcan any idea of getting it all back.

You can talk to people. You can underline the damage already done. You can point out the litany of lies and evasions which makes every modern predecessor appear pristine by comparison. You can remind them of the dead, and the children who are being left behind so that we have a reservoir of fodder who can die in their places.

You can try, but I think you can't possibly paint a darker picture than that which faces the United States if we lawfully elect George W. Bush as President.

We have to win, and we have to win by such a margin that it is impossible to steal the election. And we have to win fairly and convincingly.

It's that, or being the first against the wall--figuratively at first. Literally for those of us who see the real writing against which we brace ourselves.

Even if Kerry chokes, whiffs, splutters, stumbles and literally falls flat on his face, we have to carry him if necessary. All energies must be spent to do whatever possible to keep our love alive for this man and enthusiasm for the cause vibrant, while dogging and harassing Junior and his evil.

Everyone will screw up here and there, and now that, for whatever reason, he's our horse in this race, IT'S OUR DUTY TO MAKE SURE HE WINS. We have to take responsibility for this, and yes, he does have problems as a candidate, but that's that, and we have to make it work.

I'm sick of people not taking responsibility for the actions of the various groups to which they belong. We are responsible for the actions of the Democratic Party. We are responsibility for the horrors wrought by members of any religion we choose to believe in, the country in which we are citizens and any other groups to which we belong. We are responsible for the hideous foreign policy bungling of this administration because we are Americans. We are, conversely, also able to share in the praise for the (admittedly dwindling) good done by this country.

The partial responsibility and ass-covering is normal human activity, but it's crap, and we can't afford the luxury.

Our energies have to be spent figuring out how the various downsides of Kerry's personality and record are to be turned to advantage, and we need to trumpet those MANY qualities of his his that are decent, nice, good, effective and more than anything: solid. It's our problem, and there's no excuse for not making it work.

Bush has been taking hits over the mounting US death toll in Iraq and continued doubts about his management of the economy.

He certainly deserves that. He needs to be hit harder than hard over all this.

Forget this cliffhanger bs first point, we all know Gore won by half a million votes the first time right? What makes anyone think that those who voted for Gore last time will vote for Bush this time?

Secondly, I predict MILLIONS that supported Bush last time, will not support Bush this time. Many Republicans, Conservatives, and moderates that cast their votes for Bush will turn their backs on him this election year by not voting at all.

A vote that normally would go Republican not being cast at all is the same as a vote for Kerry.

Thirdly, the Nader factor won't be a factor this time, if so much as a half of those who voted for Nader don't vote or vote for Kerry that will eliminate the Nader problem. There are movements to get Nadaer followers to make it a priority first to get rid of Bush then later worry about their own agendas.

Lastly sheer numbers: There are more registered Dems than Republicans in this country. The states with major cities always go blue, and this year it's likely that swing states such as my state Arizona, will go blue.

In my opinion the biggest challenge is getting all those who want Bush gone to get off their asses and vote not the "oh my god so many people love Bush it's gonna be close!" factor.

These polls tell us nothing because they aren't a reflection of what every last registered voter is truly thinking.

"Okay here's the reason why I don't think Bush has a chance in hell!"

Yes, indeed! Just look at the compilation of links today on my web site: www.earthside.com

There is no doubt in my mind, unless Kerry personally self-destructs (a highly unlikely possiblity from this experienced politician), that Bush is doomed ...

In fact, I think that if Kerry picks US Sen. Mary Landrieu for veep, that Kerry could win in a big way. Think about it. Gore won with over half a million votes ... add to that at least half of the Nader vote (the other half will never vote for a Republican or Democrat ... and that's fine), then add in a chunck of pro-choice GOP women if Landrieu is on the ticket. Kerry could win with 350 or more electoral votes.

BUSH LOST THE LAST ELECTION. REMEMBER ???

is that Bush is not showing a negative in all the polls. Kind of tells you where the country is. The cliffhanger is not necessarily Bush and Kerry but a nation that has turned a blind eye and still supports this outrageous administration. For God's sake why must it come down to an election when the people should have already risen up to throw the scoundrels out of office, better yet should have risen up and never allowed them in office in the first place. Failure to learn from mistakes of past history is a positive proof way to repeat it. Go in mourning for a nation and world power that has inevitably brought itself to the cliffhanger of self destruction.

How can you trust the polls, The media, in this day in time, can't be trusted. I will say, I was polled by the Kerry camp when he visited Florida.

we had some interesting poll info. An average of 11 polls showed that Bush's approval rating has dropped in 37 of 40 months in office. His high was 11/01 at 86%. In April 2004 it was 47%. The recent flurry of positive Bush numbers was CNN propaganda. CNN takes orders directly from the White House (as recently proved by the Kagen/Letterman episode) and Rove instructed CNN to keep Elmer Fudd's approval number above 50.

but it is not. If the election were held today Kerry would win by a landslide.

This is disinformation being put out to discourage Democrats and bring Republicans back into the fold. Don't be fooled.

I've spoken with hard-core right-winger who are disgusted with Bush*. They may not vote for Kerry but they are sure not going to vote for the Chimp. Meanwhile the Democrats will be out in force.

Ignore the polls and the naysayers and the media who are bought and sold.

are close. In 1980, for instance, the Carter-Reagan contest was neck and neck until the very end, when undecideds broke for Reagan.

And I don't know where it starts. Press releases from the White House? GOP-Controlled polling organizations? I am sorry, the "close race" myth is just that...a myth. Its only purpose is to pave the way for the Diebold vote theft. Go out and try to find anyone making less than a million a year who supports Bush. It is almost impossible. Even the Wal Mart Nation is waking up. I can remember when the last time I was when I heard someone outside of a teevee talk show who said they supported Bush.

It is lie, I tell you. A razor-thin margin all but assures Diebold can steel the election.

i am right >>>here<<< with you on this issue. they are just saying this so people won't freak when the machines are manipulated.

The ONLY way they can steal the election again is to pretend it is close. The WH media will proclaim it's a cliffhanger over and over again to try to make you believe it. DON'T let them con you again!

... who cares? :shrug: It'd be a fast trial if Bush is hung in November, though. Heck, I'd even get "Pay-per-View."

Bush Is In Bad Shape This Early
by: capetop2003 (47/M/Minneapolis, MN) 05/02/04 02:34 pm
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John Kerry hasn't even defined himself for most Americans, and he's already tied with George. This after Karl Rove has already spent $60-70 million, mostly on televised misleading attack ads. He doesn't even bother to tell people why George deserves to be re-elected.

Meanwhile Kerry is raising money, putting his platform together, assembling a national campaign organization. Bush has been flat-footed over and over by bad economic news, exposures of his pre-9/11 failings, and the continuing inconvenient truths leaking out of Iraq. These news items have, to put it mildly, stepped on Bush's message.

Where can Bush hope for improvement later this year?

The economy? He's still deep in the hole on jobs, and Mr. Greenspan has warned us that interest rates will be going up soon.

Iraq? Yeah, right. Even if Brahimi gives us an Iraqi fig leaf, our troops will still be there killing and dying. That's not going to get better.

9/11? The Commission's report will not be a campaign brochure for George and Condoleezza.

Tax cuts? He's already got the 2% who really benefited from those.

Education? Health care? The environment? Hahahaha.

I guess Bush's only hope is another major terrorist attack. Stay tuned....

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The Bushies have nothing. They have to run a totally negative campaign, which is what they do anyway. With more bad news and the press beginning to turn away, in six months Bush's approval rating will be 25% by then.

Also, even is there is another major terrorist attack, it will only serve to highlight the failure of Bush policy.

He is a smashing failure.

by the sky god.

That is all that matters. Plus, he has not been sexually unfaithful to his frump(even though we do not know if he has been faithful to her and services her as she would like--) and even wrote a poem to her calling her a "lump" That is a clue!! Making love to a "lump" is like saying one is making love to a turnip! And, having had a good look at the frump o lump, I would say, that is right on!

This means a lot to a lot of stupid people who cannot think independantly--and are in fear of their lives, both in this life and iun the , what they think, is the "hereafter" where they get to do nothing all day long but amuse themselves watching others burn to death in what they imagine, in their most enjoyable fanatasies, is a "lake of fire" where people are charcoaled to death forever.

stuff, but if it's true, then I'll be glad to be in the hereafter watching this idiot-in-chief and his cronies AND his dud of a wife "charcoaled". Oh, yeah, and his parents, too.

the bushies' argument that they've kept America safe since 9/11. How many rovians have you heard, spinning like crazy that, no matter what you may think of this regime, we haven't been attacked again since 9/11.

It is NOT something to wish for. Just on general principles, mainly. I mean I hate bush as much as anybody but I do NOT want to see this. Also, in another respect, it might be manipulated such that America unites behind its "leader" in a tough time. It could backfire.

Even so, I do NOT wish or hope or pray for this. I wish it would ALL stop.

Meanwhile, we have that horror coming out of the lovely Abu Ghraib prison...

I want to make that clear.

But a lot of people here have made suggestions that it might happen.

and I don't see Shrub winning BIG, but that's just me.

but most recent incumbent Repubicans won big, unfortunately,
even if they had to cheat.

WhoEVER wins, wins BIG or, whoever loses, loses BIG. That's different from what you're saying.

reason. If the election looked like a run-a-way this early, most people would completely stop paying any attention to CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc. For their own survival, AND the major ad revenue they are going to get over the next 6 months, they CAN'T let interest die!

Diebold.

Think about it: Karl Rove has already said that they're "going to win in Ohio". "The Democrats will contest it". Does this sound like eleciton fraud to you?

So the Diebold paperless voting machines will be up and running on election day. The programmers have written their programs to make the vote come out with Bush as the winner. Question: should they let him win with a HUGE margin, especially in traditional Democratic areas? Forget it. The voters will raise such a stink that they might smell a Republican Rat. They're going to tamper with the figures, just enough to give Honest George enough votes.

So this could very well happen. But not because of the polls. Because of cheating.

Does anyone want to help me?

progressive former friend told me in 2000 (she stopped being a friend that second)

How can anyone beleive their bullshit?

In case it goes to the Supreme Court again, these dissenters will have been 'softened up', and know how to cast their vote.

...from the bu$hit White House and I expect the "bu$hit-is-God-and He-Already-Won-So-Don't-Bother-to-Vote" propOganda to therefore get miles deep the closer to November we get....everyone don your rubber suits 'cause we're going swimming throught a lotta bu$hit in the next few months.

They're TRYING to discourage Democrats from voting by attempting to convince them that bu$hit has already won and/or is a shoe-in (so don't even bother voting for anyone else).

BU$HIT ALERT!!!
BU$HIT ALERT!!!
BU$HIT ALERT!!!

Don't let it get to you folks, and DO NOT let it discourage anyone you from voting - tell them about this tactic. The Repukes and their butkissing media use it EVERY ELECTION to try to discourage folks from voting Democratic. DON'T LET THEM do this to ya!!