Sharon's Gaza pull out plan is defeated by Likud

Now breaking on Israel radio

PULL-OUT PLAN 'DEFEAT'

Israeli Radio has declared that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has been defeated over his plan for a complete pull-out of Gaza Settlements.

The proposals would force the 7,500-odd Jews living there to leave, but Israel would maintain control of Gaza's airspace and coastline.

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13077174,00.html

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who would like this kind of sovereignty?

if there is any, Sharon will soon be out

The Sharon plan, which was warmly embraced by Bush and by Kerry, would have annexed in perpetuity 15% of the land Israel took in 1967, a clear recipe for permanent war in the region.

In a strange conjunction of ultra-Zionist settlers that opposed the plan (hard to imagine people more rightwing than Sharon, isn't it) and those that favor a return to the pre-1967 borders, the defeat of this plan is a good thing for the extreme Right and the Left.

,...at least, that is how it seems to me. I can only hope that "the middle" will rid themselves of the extremes which are tearing everyone apart.

That is my hope.

I would rather give up 7.5% or even 15% of my land to gain peace. Of course, if I am dealing with bullies,...I would be perpetually suspicious of their motivations,...yet, I would also attempt to recognize that, those "bullies" are possessed by a religious/historical obsession with "being destroyed" by others, and try to assure them a peaceful two-state policy is not only possible but passionately wanted.

That is not "15%" that they are being asked to give up, but much more.

The reason being - they (the Palestinians/Arabs) had 100%. They said they'd be willing to lose 77% of that (Mandatory Palestine) - i.e. keep the 23% of it called the WB and Gaza. Now they're being asked to give up 15% of that 23%, and in effect about 50% of that 23% (because of the way that 15% will be annexed, can explain if you like).

So they can't give up 15% to "gain peace", because they'd be left with about 10% of the old Palestine - not enough for a viable state - hence a receipe for permanent war.

They would have blended, perfectly *LOL*!!!

I am kidding,...in case your cynicism precludes such things.

Look,...some, if not most, people are consumed by both a nationalistic/religious identity and USE "property" to hang onto that identity (gee,...I wonder why, hmpf). Why "property" somehow validates "identity",...I just do not know,...except that no one wants "property" being USED against their freedom to be,...human or happy or thinking or valuable.

Human beings' fundamental WORTH should NOT be based upon "property". Yet, here we are,...this is it,..we are still doing the same ole' caa caa,...different century.

But the world is the way it is, and we have to work in those contraints. It so happens that the territory between the Jordan and the sea is coveted by two peoples.

One is under military occupation, and has accepted in principle a workable partition. The other already has a state, and refuses a reasonable partition.

Those are the facts.

be in error.

But the concept is correct - a final agremment will expand Israel from 67 line - but only by 5.5% (and that was all that requested at TABA) - Sharon's wall - and then walls totally around towns not on the west side of the wall - was and is nuts.

A fun calc is to go back to 1918 and what was promised as a Jewish state - you can get a small percentage - and say Sharon should claim more!

Getting back to Taba - with compensation rather right of return but with right of return to the West Bank and a fly over highway between Gaza and the West Bank - which is what was on the table at Taba (and I know the Taba rule was that the PA agreed to nothing until everything was agreed too)- is the only solution that does not involve another 20 years of killing.

*smile*

You are loved and valued.

:-)

And the constant PA position is that the talks resume where they left off (officially) at Taba, which Israel refuses to do.

They refuse, because they know we'll support them in that refusal. That's our problem, not the Palestinians problem.

This manifestation seems to be occurring all over the world. Spain started it with their election.

Now we see Israel, defying what was a sure shot, or so they thought (meaning Sharon's plan and the supporters of it).

The prominent supporters here Bush and Kerry are also defeated.

It seems that We the People of the World are rising up and taking the action of our government into our own hands by voting.

For this reason alone, I too am happy to see this seemingly unheard of occurrence.

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Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's party voted against his withdrawal plan, according to exit polls reported by Israeli television. Details soon

Israeli TV Says Sharon Loses Gaza Pullout Vote

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli television stations said on Sunday that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites) was roundly defeated on Sunday in a vote by his right-wing Likud party on the Gaza pullout plan he has championed.


In projections similar to one broadcast on Israel Radio, Channel 10 put the ratio of defeat at 58-42 percent, Channel Two at 56-44 percent and Channel One at 62-38 percent.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=2&u=/nm/20040502/ts_nm/mideast_vote_projections_dc

The next move is up to Sharon. Will he try to ram this through the Knesset where he can get some Labour support?

I see Sharon facing a vote of Confidence VERY SOON, and new elections

The courts now have a clear go ahead to continue the case of fraud against him.

Yay Israeli!

"If ... the plan is not passed, that will lead us to elections, new elections that would be very bad for Israel, absolutely superfluous, especially in light of our economic situation today."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/02/sharon.referendum/index.html

Actually, Sharon used the spectre of new elections to frighten Likud members from voting against his plan.

Is Sharon presiding or ministering over a "jobless recovery" as well?

It's too bad Uncle Sam cannot inject more foreign aid into their economy. All of it is earmarked for Iraq at this time.

Check out the story below:

Likud Minister Uzi Landau, one of the leaders of the anti-disengagement campaign, said Sunday that his supporters would do all they could to keep the referendum from passing.

"We won't stop until the very end doing everything that we can. Until we win, nothing is final, nothing is sure," he said.

Sharon's son, Likud MK Omri Sharon, was forced to leave the largest polling station, at Jerusalem's International Convention Center (Binyanei Hauma) after he was attacked, both verbally and physically, but opponents to the disengagement proposal.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/422430.html

Now the question looms: Will Sharon face criminal prosecution?

that commander codpiece endorsed about a week ago. Not to mention the fact that John Kerry also endorsed it.

wish we had some politicians in the USA that disagree with Bush.

but everyone turned their back on him in the primaries. He's made more sense than anyone out there on all the issues and he's the starkest contrast to Bush we have ever had.

http://resources.kucinich.us/show_image.php?id=917&thumb=1

Interesting.

Benjamin Netanyahu :shrug:

It was a bad plan that had no chance of bringing a permanent or just resolution to the I/P conflict. The fact that most of Likud stands to Sharon's right on this matter and wants something even less satisfactory is of little consequence.

It's like comparing a day that's 20 above to one that's 20 below. One may be warmer than the other, but either day is too cold.

Further comment in the I/P forum.

Sharon Won't Resign Over Failed Gaza Vote
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=2&u=/ap/20040502/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_sharon

Either good or bad, except bring more misery to the Palestinians.

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAB6KTYRTD.html

So Shurb backed a real winner, changing long-standing US policy in the process. 'Cause we need more anger, so it is written, or so he's told.