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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 12:00 AM
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WP: Federal Deficit Likely to Narrow By $100 Billion
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64130-2004May3.html

By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, May 4, 2004; Page E01


Smaller-than-expected tax refunds and rising individual tax receipts will pare back federal borrowing significantly for the first half of this year and could reduce the $521 billion deficit projected for the fiscal year by as much as $100 billion, Treasury and congressional budget officials said yesterday.



The Treasury Department's borrowing estimates may prove to be more good news for President Bush on the economic front, as opponents attempt to make his fiscal stewardship a campaign issue. The $184 billion the government is now expected to borrow through June is a 27 percent improvement from Treasury's February projection of $252 billion, the department said.

G. William Hoagland, a senior economic aide to Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), said he dashed off a memo to GOP leadership predicting the 2004 deficit could be trimmed to $420 billion, a record in dollar terms but considerably lower than the White House's $521 billion projection.

"This is better than what everybody expected," Hoagland said.

Democratic and Republican budget aides in the House warned yesterday that it was too early to reach conclusions. Spending could still take an unexpected jump because of surging hostilities in Iraq. The improving federal borrowing picture, they said, may just be bringing the administration's $521 billion deficit forecast more into line with the $477 billion deficit predicted by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, Capitol Hill's official budget scorekeeper.


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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 12:02 AM
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1. These people are just a complete and total set up
They lie about everything with impunity and get away with it. I'm not shocked but I am amazed at those who still buy it.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 12:10 AM
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2. Big fat liars..
Like I trust their info.
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Lefty_the_Right Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 12:14 AM
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3. I'm not buying it either, something rotten in Denmark
But I've been trying to figure out all day what the catch is.

On the unemployment numbers it's easy to catch the lie, look at the number of people exhausting their benefits.

But this one is a real puzzle.

If unemployment is up, or at least steady, wages have fallen, corps are paying less taxes than ever, that means that the middle class are paying more in taxes this year that ever to make up the difference, doesn't it?

It has to come from somewhere, it ain't the wealthy, and it ain't the unemployed and under-employed.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 03:36 AM
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14. You did figure it out. It's a fake.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 12:20 AM
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4. blah blah blah. I bet the whore media doesn't cover their retraction
Fuck 'em. This is no different than the bogus employment numbers. Fuck 'em.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 12:37 AM
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6. Putting our heads in the sand isn't going to win us the election,
we can't just dismiss all good economic news as bogus and expect the voters to follow us.

Even if this report holds out to be true, it will still be the largest budget deficit in history.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 03:19 AM
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13. They have gone back on every piece of "good economic news" so far
Why the hell would this be different?

And it doesn't matter what we say here. The media whores have already shown their stripes: they give the initial bullshit estimates a big-ass headline on the front page, then put the inevitable retraction on page 12.

Just look at how they framed this story. You're right, the deficit will be of Historically Enormous Proportions even if the "best case" scenario comes true. But what gets the headline? "The budget defecit is $100 Billion smaller than we thought it would be." The average reader is going to see that headline on the business or national pages while flipping through to the sports section and miss the part that tells him how big the defecit is. Then he thinks Dubya's such a mensch for shrinking the defecit.

Fuck the media whores, and fuck george bush. If we want to get anything done, we have to go around them all.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 12:36 AM
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5. smaller refunds?
Why is that? I thought that certain manipulations were done to give people "more of their money?" So how could there be smaller refunds?
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 12:37 AM
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7. This line sums up the real story here.
"The Treasury Department's borrowing estimates may prove to be more good news for President Bush on the economic front, as opponents attempt to make his fiscal stewardship a campaign issue."


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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 12:41 AM
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10. Whoop, there ya go
Even if this "windfall" of $100 billion turns out to be true (it won't), there will be no mention of the TEN TRILLION DOLLARS missing from the US Treasury that Bushco's payback tax cuts will have caused over the next ten years.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 12:41 AM
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8. Of course, the deficit will be restated in 2005 to reflect a $600BB
shortfall. They make their numbers up as they go.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 12:41 AM
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9. psssst....a little secret....
Go back and read the line in the last paragraph, "could still take an unexpected jump because of surging hostilities...

The federal deficit does NOT include funding the war in Iraq. The figures you are looking at; the deficit of $521 billion is the Federal Budget Deficit which never included war funding which is approved separately by Congress.

If you smell something rotten, you are right. These guys are professional charlatans and they're playing the shell game.

So now we're just a little bankrupt, rather than completely bankrupt.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 12:45 AM
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11. It is included in the deficit,
its just never included in the budgets because * always asks for a seperate supplemental.

But the treasury still has to borrow money and pay for that funding, and that is reflected in the defict figure.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 12:46 AM
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12. And another good point
No appropriation for war in the budget. How dumb is that? Well...pretty fucking smart, really. Next time some recalcitrant fiscally conservative Republican House member doesn't agree to cast a crucial vote for an additional War All The Time appropriations bill loaded with pork for red states, he'll be branded as anti-American and have a shitload of money go against him in his next primary election.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 05:43 AM
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16. How can the supplemental budget for war
...be included in a deficit estimate when no one has estimated or said what it is? This is a great snow job.

With increased war spending the estimate will be higher not lower than projected.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:53 AM
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15. they haven't asked for more war money yet
this is a little sugar to help the medicine go down.
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