'US soldiers abused young girl at Iraqi prison'

'US soldiers abused young girl at Iraqi prison'
7.17PM, Fri May 7 2004

The US military has said it will investigate claims by a former inmate of Abu Ghraib prison that a girl as young as 12 was stripped and beaten by military personnel.

Suhaib al-Baz, a journalist for the al-Jazeera television network, claims to have been tortured at the prison, based west of Baghdad, while held there for 54 days.

...He said: "They brought a 12-year-old girl into our cellblock late at night. Her brother was a prisoner in the other cells.

"She was naked and screaming and calling out to him as they beat her. Her brother was helpless and could only hear her cries. This affected all of us because she was just a child.

more:
http://www.itv.com/news/623337.html

not

"& I lock & load my shotgun"

"& drive my SUV"

A South Korean woman in Seoul reacts to a poster showing U.S. soldiers abusing Iraqi prisoners, during an anti-U.S. rally in Seoul, May 7, 2004. About thirty protesters rallied on Friday demanding the withdrawal of U.S. troops in Iraq (news - web sites). REUTERS/Lee Jung-Min

to make prisoners talk.

we heard this months ago.

we are monsters.

Collectively, we are as guilty as the Germans of the Third reich. Our collective silence about actions taken by our government in our name since 9/11 makes us just as guilty as the perpetrators.

Do you think that's being harsh?

Just look at how many Americans are calling for "staying the course" in Iraq, shorthand for continuing the Occupation and the rape of the Iraqi people!

Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts, 8 June 1977.

Section III. Treatment of Persons in the Power of a Party to the Conflict

Chapter I. Field of application and protection of persons and objects

Art. 75. Fundamental guarantees

1. In so far as they are affected by a situation referred to in Article 1 of this Protocol, persons who are in the power of a Party to the conflict and who do not benefit from more favourable treatment under the Conventions or under this Protocol shall be treated humanely in all circumstances and shall enjoy, as a minimum, the protection provided by this Article without any adverse distinction based upon race, colour, sex, language, religion or belief, political or other opinion, national or social origin, wealth, birth or other status, or on any other similar criteria. Each Party shall respect the person, honour, convictions and religious practices of all such persons.

2. The following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever, whether committed by civilian or by military agents: (a) violence to the life, health, or physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular: (i) murder; (ii) torture of all kinds, whether physical or mental; (iii) corporal punishment; and (iv) mutilation;

(b) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment, enforced prostitution and any form or indecent assault; (c) the taking of hostages; (d) collective punishments; and (e) threats to commit any of the foregoing acts.

3. Any person arrested, detained or interned for actions related to the armed conflict shall be informed promptly, in a language he understands, of the reasons why these measures have been taken. Except in cases of arrest or detention for penal offences, such persons shall be released with the minimum delay possible and in any event as soon as the circumstances justifying the arrest, detention or internment have ceased to exist.

http://www.globalissuesgroup.com/geneva/protocol1.html

journalist for al-Jazeera?

Kind of like a journalist for FOX, isn't it?

many journalists for Al-J are former employess of real news organizations such as the BBC.

What are you talking about?

report the news. Don't be fooled by the snippets you hear on US outlets, check them out for yourself

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/E4D19123-9DD3-11D1-B44E-006097071264.htm

Al-Jazeera was the BBC Arabic language bureau until the BBC stopped funding Arabic language coverage. The exact same people that were providing BBC Arabic language coverage for the BBC now are covering world events as Al-Jazeera. Funding came from a new source, and the exact same people continued to work in the building with a new sign over the door.

Al-Jazeera and the BBC Arabic language service are the exact same thing. Just a new name.

Besides, Rumsfeld already admitted that there are videos of US Troops raping little boys in the prison in his testimony today. Torture of little girls, in the sick calculus we are having to use now to figure out how disgusting behavior has been, is not quite as deplorable as raping little boys. Rumsfeld has already admitted to the worst case scenario... well... short of mass gassing in showers and mass incineration of the bodies, anyway.

Given the overwhelming evidence of abuse, torture and mistreatment already out there? It is like saying "Well maybe we would force prisoners into homosexual acts, strip them, beat them, threaten them with electrocution, sodomize them with a broom handle and a chemical light, pour phosphorus from a chemical light on them, kill them, and ride an old lady like a donkey, but we would never harm a child."

The truth lies somewhere between FOX and Al-Jazeera. There are propagandists on both sides, and I certainly wouldn't take what Al-Jazeera prints as gospel.

Go back and look at what Al-Jazeera has published, and compare it to CNN, NBC, ABC, etc. Al-Jazeera has been right far more often.

"The truth lies somewhere in the middle".

This is sometimes the case, and there are propagandists on both sides, but the photographic evidence has tilted the balance in favor of those making allegations, rather than those denying them. Once a pattern of behavior has been established, it is logical to lend credence to the side that is claiming events that are merely an extension of that pattern. We do this in day to day life all the time - once we know someone is a habitual liar we discount everything they say after-wards. This is why reputations, both personal and national, are hard won and easily lost.

This "truth in the middle" bull is what the press have been feeding us for years. We think Bush is Hitler, the other side that he is the second comint of Jay-suss: the truth is he's in the middle. Yeah, right.

... and make a dumb joke like that.

Congrats: you've managed to sicken even me. That takes some doing.

If this story can be corroborated, this could be the beginning of Iraq's version of "The Troubles." What a stupid thing those troops have done.


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Turkish Islamist protesters shout anti-U.S. slogans in Istanbul, May 7, 2004, as they burn an effigy resembling Uncle Sam, to protest against the abuse by the U.S. soldiers in Iraq (news - web sites). Protesters shouted slogans against the U.S. and Israel outside Beyazit Mosque in the old city after Friday prayers. REUTERS/Rtr

Not for my sake... or America's sake... or for the sake of our soldiers. Just for the sake of that little girl...

:cry:

Keg Parties, beer bongs, and torturing little girls.

and frat boy Rush will be right over to join in!

Frankly, we need a "hock a loogie" emoticon. This one will have to do for now....

:puke: Thanks for all you did in our names in Iraq!

spawned, nurtured and raised does not come close to describing how I feel.

I weep for the loss of my country - a loss that may forever remain in this world.

:cry:

I weep for all those that have been destroyed by this mal-administration's desire to annihilate the world that we all inhabit.

:cry:

n/t

A line from a film, spoken by the co-pilot, when the pilot didn't want to drop the bombs because they might be off target and kill civilians.

I fear this is the attitude of Bush supporters. It certainly seems to be the attitude of a friend, as I learned a couple of hours ago. "Look what they did to our guys" so why the hell not beat the crap out of them and humiliate them. And if they're not soldiers -- who cares? They're Iraqis.

More accurately: They're brown.

We are all good German citizens now.
Are those who stand and watch (all of us) complicit with the
perpetrators?

at what is going on. Afterall the tailhook incident was mostly covered up as well as the rapes at Annapolis and West Point.

Take the time to read the whole article. We have more than a few human monsters over there. Pure evil.:grr:

It just keeps getting worse.

"The International Committee of the Red Cross has said Iraqis held by US forces have been subjected to systematic degrading treatment, sometimes close to torture, that may have been officially condoned."

If any other country did this to prisoners, would we have the least qualms about calling it torture? This stuff is "close to torture" in the same way that sawing 90% of the way through someone's neck is "close to decapitation".

How fucking convenient.

like everything else that is disgusting and heartbreaking. I am tired of hearing only a few bad apples are responsible. It makes me sick to know this country has committed these horrific acts, ie, murder, torture, rape, etc. How do these people sleep at night.

THUGS ALL OF THEM

has offered gold for the goons!

I live in NC too. I am feeling less frustrated and more hopeful about the possibility of kicking the evil Chimp out of the White House.

Today it is difficult to feel hopeful about anything, though. I feel discouraged and sick about living in America. I am counting on my country to pick itself up and show the world that most of us really are decent human beings.

I was never a soldier but come on! The US Military prides itself in order and discipline and all that. They go through lots of training and are taught to follow the Geneva Convention, so why are US soldiers doing the same crap that the enemy does? :wtf: It was tragic enough when Saddam's henchmen did it!

They Did It for Jessica

Smeared With Shit; Kicked to Death

...The most sadistic case to come across our desk involves two US Marines now undergoing court-martial proceedings stemming from the death of an Iraqi citizen called Mr. Hatab. The killing took place last year at Camp Whitehorse outside Nasyriya.

Hatab was detained by a Marine patrol on June 5, 2003. The Marines were apparently enraged by the fact that Hatab was discovered carrying a rifle from the 507th, the division of famed damsel in distress Jessica Lynch, which had been ambushed early in the war. Two Marine Lance Corporals covered the the civilian with feces, stomped on him, kicked him, dragged him, and finally broke his neck, resulting in his death.

The Marine Major who ordered the abuse faces military trial for dereliction of duty and assault. The Marine reservist who killed Hatab has already been cleared of wrongdoing by a military tribunal. One other Lance Corporal, a federal corrections officer in the US, is charged with kicking Mr. Hatab.


http://www.counterpunch.com/wire05062004.html

I honestly thought the Iraqi doctors treated her well. Do I have the story wrong?

Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 but soldiers talked about going over there to get revenge...

It doesn't have to be the ones responsible. hmm...

But the media, Faux news, Rush etc. all hastened to speculate that she had been raped, beaten, and mistreated and spewed this propaganda all over the airwaves in a rush to demonize the people we were exterminating, and likewise the soldiers were all being told they were over there to avenge 9-11, the camps given various code names corresponding to places which which attacked on that day. It's no wonder this kind of brutality resulted.

are aided an abetted by US news outlets. The propaganda spread by Faux and the like are complicite in causing the brutal reactions of GIs as well as the stubborn denial of Bush supporters. There should be public outrage and a demand for US news outlets to discontinue to be proganda tools.

Remember its only 1 or 2 bad ones

"SUPPORT THE TROOPS"

nothing to worry about at all

man I HOPE this isnt true.

Where will this end?

--she may have been capable of a pregnancy. I was at that age.

what has happened to this country? We go to war on lies, and proceed to perform acts of excessive, animalistic, barbarism on children

I blame George Bush the stupid, for all of it.

There is NO doubt in my mind that it is under his tutelage and reign that these types of animalistic behavior, has been enabled

Remember this was the cowardly man who was so impressed with his ability to put people to death in Texas, that he saw fit to mock a woman who begged him personally to not put her to death because she had truly repented and was willing to spend the rest of her life in a prison.

He "pursed his lips" (and who cannot imagine him doing that, after all the chimp pictures we have seen of this idiot pursing his lips like a smelly chimpanzee) and mocked her plea "please don't kill me"

And he loved it that he had that power. This is the idiot we have for a president. He also loves it that he can force women to pregnancy. It gives him a thrill to be in such control

He is truly evil

sticking fire crackers in frogs and throwing 'em up in the air to see what would happen. Yeah, okay, a frat-boy prank. Yeah, okay. Letting off steam. Yeah, okay, I guess. But that kind of behavior, among kids or adolescents or teenagers usually is checked in some way, either by peer pressure or vigilant parents or some other role model or authority figure that raises up and says - HEY! Stop it. NOT okay.

Clearly, this behavior in him was NOT checked. There was no attempt to divert this kind of impulse into something different, less harmful, or more productive. So he was allowed to go on his merry way, drinking, snorting, and manifesting MORE irresponsible, reckless behavior through his more advanced schooling. And into young adulthood. And into his first forays in business. And so on... And all along the way he's NEVER been checked. His reckless, irresponsible behavior and instincts have NEVER been checked, or curbed, or modified, or addressed in ANY way. It was always ignored, condoned, neglected, or privately chuckled at - "boys will be boys, har-har-har!"

Rather, he was coddled as the Royal Namesake, the pride of the family, and allowed to dance blithely down the garden path to destruction. And by the time he was old enough to begin playing with REALLY destructive toys, it was long past time to teach him a better way, or set him on a better path. He had LONG since imprinted on not having to listen, or pay attention, or be responsible or accountable OR BE HELD RESPONSIBLE OR ACCOUNTABLE for his many, many increasingly serious fuck-ups. He'd long since learned that any mistakes he made would be covered up and cleaned up after him by somebody else, from his nannies and baby-sitters early-on to his wealthy, powerful, influential father and cronies, to Baker Botts LLP in his adulthood.

I say the sooner we get him OUT of the White House and FIRMLY INTO the Carlyle Group the better. He can work his Reverse Midas Touch and his world-class talent for fucking up on THEM! I'd LOVE to see THEM upended.

Time to haul out that old, familiar, and increasingly relevant cliche: The Bigger They Are, The Harder They FALL!

. . . it's all over, folks. We will be stampeding out of Iraq. Bush will be lucky to be able to run for dogcatcher.

I won't blindly accept what this guy says. I believe that Al Jazeera is more corrupt than our news media, as improbable as that seems

otherwise you'd know they are more apt to speak the truth than our propaganga news media. I totally believe it. I hope those bastards who did this get bachi quickly.

Even if you don't agree with it. I read these boards for over a year every day for hours before I finally started posting. Calling someone a "baby on this forum" has nothing to do with anything. I agree with them more than with you. Am I a "baby" too? I consider myself as well-informed as anyone who dedicates a lot of time to this forum and the news in general.

Do you have any reason to suspect that organization? Any stories of them pulling a fast one? Telling lies? Any links?

For over 2 years they have been RIGHT on track without missing a beat.

Maybe you could give us an example?

...three to four years.

Give me one good argument to back up "Al Jazeera is more corrupt" - just ONE.

Dare ya.

I heard on CNN yesterday that Al Jazeera was showing pictures from porns during Rumsfeld's testimony claiming that they were abuse photos and that they got busted by some higher up in Al Jazeera who found out what was going on and ripped the photos off the air.

I could claim I saw a UFO in my backyard, but without evidence it doesn't mean much. I doubt that would go over unreported by any other news networks.

letter to president Bush

Maybe you don't trust them one bit either.

The world is watching as your administration responds to the most recent evidence of torture and degrading treatment of Iraqis at the hands of US personnel..."

It just occurred to me what he might be motivated to do. I can just see it now: "I know! I'll put Condi in charge of this! That's the ticket!"

With the way this pooch has been screwed, and HER track record for dropping the ball, it wouldn't surprise me at all to discover that he had already done that quite some time ago.

It is hard to believe.

This is some incredibly sick stuff. And sad that even though it is shocking and disgusting, but somehow not surprising.

When Rummy announced that the U.S. didn't have to follow anyone's rules but our own, it was a done deal.

http://www.wgoeshome.com

THAT I do believe.. I DO believe these morons were cruel and stupid enough to make it a contest. The story about photos as screen savers on the laptops sounds terribly plausible.

Oh.. but it was only SIX people doing this.. gosh, they were really, really busy.

How many more will hop on the abuse bandwagon with no evidence and a free media ride for their 15 minutes?

--to "pose as" an abuse victim. It's the new hip thing.

Evidence is forthcoming. If you're still here later, we'll discuss it.

90% of the posts on this thread assume guilt without evidence.

It's good to be slow to judge, but after seeing those pictures, and hearing even from Rumsfeld that the soon-to-be-released photos/videotapes is hard to be believed, why not believe this report?

they're as credible as they come.

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He does have a "remarkable" track record for lies and this sort of thing.

But who ya gonna believe - your lying eyes and ears or what bunkerboy and his gang of criminals tell you to believe?

Take the blinders off sweetie.

The pictures alone are ample evidence.

...and their captive mainstream media for the last three to four years. We've learned to rely on sources of information outside of the U. S....they don't seem to be restrained from telling the truth.

Hmmm maybeee...

Too late now to start quibbling about this garbage. The photos are out, Bush is toast, the neo-cons are exposed & the Republicans are in an utter panic.

What's sad is that none of them are ashamed & remorseful.

When the POW had a PLASTIC FLASHLIGHT RAMMED UP HIS RECTUM ???

When a GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG BITES HIM IN THE TESTICLES ???

When the POW had a 220 Volt wire attached to the TIP OF HIS PENIS ???

When Lynndie England was encouraged to help the POWs obtain erections so they could perform
ORAL SEX ACTS ON EACH OTHER and the PERKY PRINCESS OF ABU GHRAIB
PRISON COULD SHOUT "HE'S GETTING HARD"???

When Lynndie England the PERKY PRINCESS OF ABU GHRAIB DRAGGED a naked POW
around with a Dog Leash

When SPC Sabrina Harman, 372nd MP Company, stated in her sworn statement regarding the
incident where a detainee was placed on a box with electric wires attached to his fingers, toes, and
penis, ““““that her job was to keep detainees awake.”””” It is interesting to speculate that SASSY
SABRINA UNDOUBTEDLY ACCOMPLISHED HER MISSION BY TURNING ON THE
JUICE..

When POW’’S were FORCED to wear Dirty Women’’s Underwear on their Heads

When a POW was beaten to death, HIS BODY PACKED IN ICE and TAKEN OUT IN THE
DESERT AND DUMPED ???

When a Civilian Interrogator ANALLY RAPED A 16 YEAR OLD BOY IN FRONT OF GI
WITNESSES and is going to get a free pass because he was under NO ONES JURISDICTION ???


THIS IS THE SHIT FROM

Complete text of Article 15-6 Investigation of the 800th
Military Police Brigade by Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba

IT'S POSTED ON AT LEAST 10 PLACES ON THE NET--READ IT BEFORE YOU START TRASHING US OUT ---OKAY SPORTY ???

You said it loud and clear!

:thumbsup:

Why aren't there people in the streets?

Let's hear the vietnam veterans getting upset at Kerry's despiction of what happened before and still happens in all wars: "ATROCITIES"

atrocities in Viet Nam. Many still want to deny that undeniable fact.

Now that these pictures have come out, showing atrocities by the U.S. military, it becomes much more difficult to say that Kerry was lying or unpatriotic when he pointed out the these things went on in Viet Nam as well.

At least that is my take on what the poster meant, although it could be interpreted less generously.

I want to see the REALITY we live in. I think every American should see the photos over and over again, just like September 11th.

the war supporters and war apologists to look at them.

If I ever hear another American wail that ridiculous question "why do they hate us", those pics will come in very handy.

What we FINALLY need in this country is an informed and thinking public.

Americans should be forced to come face to face with
the images of this hellish immoral crusade.

Putting them on TV makes it more real than seeing it
live in our twisted age.

It's about time that someone made that comparison, because that is exactly what Abu Ghraib is a CONCENTRATION CAMP.
Complete with sadistic guards,attack dogs,torture chambers and death rooms.
Same as the SS was proud of its handiwork,the USArmy delights in its grisly exploits by taking pictures as a keepsake to place in the family photo album.

that will finish off our plans for world domination. I heard on the radio that they're planning to release the video (?!?!) this weekend. Complete with sound effects and screams. Apparently there's even worsse than that on the way, too. Rumsfeld warned us this morning. He said he could hardly even believe it.

This will be the death blow for US credibility.

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If it is true fact some men outside her family saw her naked, even if there was no rape, makes her prime target for an honor killing by another member of her family...shame shame shame...

that people who have endured a lot of suffering would have more compassion for their own kind.

But that girl is definitely in danger.

by "no child left behind"?


These guys are sick f#@*s.

an "aberration." WHAT will it take for those of you in the USA to realize that THIS is SOP???? WHAT WILL IT TAKE???

Many Americans endorse that view. Good luck trying to change them.

If a video existed showing the troops dismembering Iraqi children and eating them, there would be someone spinning that and many others holding on to that spin for dear life.

The American way of life is seductive. It has corrupted most of those fortunate to be held in its grasp and many aspiring to be. It is an irresistible force, and it has yet to meet an immovable object.

That doesn't mean it won't. Politicians, as caught in the maelstrom as the rest of us, act only to postpone the day of reckoning so that it doesn't fall on their watch.

But it will fall, and the nation won't recover unless more of us realize that there is a new world order not of our making currently at work, and the best we can do is adjust to it and help our fellow citizens of the world adjust too. Failing that, we'll lose everything.

Meyers is working overtime to keep the lid on this. According to MSNBC the "PICTURES
AREN'T EVEN IN DC YET"

What a Freaking LIE. They could send a Giga bite of data in 2 seconds for heaven sakes ---do
they believe we are that STOOPID ??

NeoCon Fucking liars posing as Generals



Next week or the week after next the NEOCON Generals plan to let a few select congressMEN
see them..

Then after the congressMEN go on TV with their usual outrage statements THE PENTAGON
will decide what to do next.

I hope the DINOS and others keep the heat on these CRIMINALS IN UNIFORM

all this is disinfo to distract you from 911. its wag the iraq

Can you imagine the hatred that girls father must feel towards the American Soldiers there?

left.

I know how I would feel if it were my daughter.

On edit: and what I would do to avenge my daughter's shame and degradation. No one would be able to stop me.