U.S. NATO man says Iraq abuse means crisis for Bush

"This is a great crisis for the government in our country," Burns told the German Council on Foreign Relations in Berlin. "It is an embarrassment for our country."

The world just shuddered.

at once.

responsibility, it shows the world that it was the release of the photos that worries the bush admin instead of the shame of the actions depicted. The images should "shame" the US not merely "embarrass" them.

describing what's in the photos. www.democracynow.org.

and his article in the New Yorker TORTURE AT ABU GHRAIB

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

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folks don't go and occcupy anothers country and expect to be greeted with flowers.

committed by the bush admin is horrific. BTW, the mutilation happened AFTER the torture of Iraqi detainees had begun.

and speaking of Polls, you better get use to seeing President War Criminal's polls go way, way down.

way down.

they'll bottom out at 30%, which is the freeper base.

understandable

if someone invades the U.S., starts arresting and detaining people because they fight back or otherwise "look suspicious," rewrites our constitution, redesigns our flag, blows buildings to smithereens, rapes, plunders, murders and otherwise treats U.S. like a colony--I think I might feel like mutilating the bodies of the unconscionable mercenaries who work for them.

Of course these pictures were upsettting.

But the world outside of the US has seen pictures from some of the thousands of Iraqis killed by the occupation. CHILDREN mutilated by US cluster bombs.

And don't forget that it was an angry mob that mutilated these dead mercenaries. They were not tortured systematically to extract confessions. They were not "collateral damage" the giant war machine called U.S. just does not care for.

they did it so it's OK for us to do it... Dumb idea for a number of reasons.

1. We don't really know when those pictures were taken. It's certainly possible that the abuse occurred before Falluja, since Rummy has said he was investigating this stuff since January.

So it's entirely possible that Falluja was responding to our abuse with their own.

2. That being said -- since when it is excusable to respond to horror with more horror? So the mercs were killed then mutilated, and it makes it excusable that we respond with sodomy? WTF kind of logic is that?

The world is appalled at this because the US is supposed to be the good guy in this and with the pictures, the US certainly is not the good guy. The world is agitated by this because of there seems to be a violation of trust between the world and the US over this thing.

People like you who bring up this crap piss me off, take some time to think about things before reacting to something. Otherwise you'll just step into a bear trap just like our chickenhawk leader.

(on edit: typo "out" to "our" in the last paragraph)

4-6 months prior to Fallujah. Well before Fallujah.

Great post.

...or how I learned Newton's 3rd law."

at least you got the "mercenaries" part right.

these INNOCENT children like this 3 year old


and more
http://www.albasrah.net/images/war_crimes/index.htm

then present your case.

as a justified retaliation in response to those mutilations.

Moreover, that was an entirely different matter from the tortures sponsored by agents of this administration. That matter does NOT fly as an excuse or rationalization for war crimes committed "in my name" or in the name of the USA.

and see how it fits.

Mexico invades the US to liberate us from George. They bomb all our major cities, turn our urban centers upside down, take over the WH and fire every Republican in there. Then, they start stopping random citizens on the street and search them.

They go to our prisons, too, where they try to extract intelligence information by mounding the prisoners together and raping them, repeatedly. They do this regardless of whether its minimum or maximum security.

Mexico tries to export freedom to the US at the point of a gun. What do you do?

and start acts of sabotage against the invaders. I would join with the resistance fighters. What choice would I have?

arrest 7 people and sweep it all under the rug, like they tried to do with Abu Ghraib.

Although the Iraqis in Fallujah may have been angered enough by torture reports (and contractors were heavily involved) to have taken some revenge on these contractors.

Reactions in the rest of the world varied, of course. It ranged from outrage and sympathy to "they were mercenaries and they probably had it coming to them". The same range of reaction was evident on DU.

Sid