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wubbathompson Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 03:05 PM
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Saddam Lawyer Says Access to Client Denied
AMMAN, Jordan (Reuters) - Saddam Hussein's defense lawyers said Monday they had received no response from the U.S. administration in Iraq and the International Committee of the Red Cross to repeated requests to see their client.

Lawyers representing the ousted leader also said they were ready to represent Iraqi prisoners abused by U.S. and British soldiers, whose pictures angered people around the world.

"We are willing to take legal action against the U.S. administration and the Red Cross if they don't allow us to see President Saddam," said Jordanian lawyer Mohammad Rashdan, one of a 20-member legal team appointed by Saddam's wife to represent him.

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?id=2004051015450002994329&dt=20040510154500&w=RTR&coview=

Let them see him. The quicker we get him to the gallows the better. I really believe the Iraqi people would rally around the execution of the former despot.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 03:13 PM
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1. They May Rally
At Saddam's execution, but it doesn't mean that they'll start throwing flowers at coalition troops.

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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 03:14 PM
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2. Democracy, the rule of law, respect for human rights
aren't just buzz words. We should be expected to walk our talk...
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 03:19 PM
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3. His lawyers can't see him?

Are there no rules about this kind of thing?

It is amazing that we would not have been all over this issue. All we need is for Saddam's lawyers to start representing the abused prisoners! More grieve for the good old USA and our freedoms.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 06:07 PM
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13. ACLU attorneys are standing on the sidelines...waiting to line up behind..
the winner!
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Magleetis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 03:23 PM
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4. His lawyers can see him
when we are done torturing him. According to the "rule of law" he deserves a fair trial. In my mind that cannot happen. I don't know how it works in the Iraqi democracy but in the US you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 03:24 PM
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5. or after he dies. n/t
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 06:08 PM
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14. Saddam needs protection from the Bushes...
key witness and all that....
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 03:41 PM
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6. Why are you so quick to kill him?
Personally, I'd want Saddam to lay out his life history in excruciating detail. I want the whole world to know what this board knows. He may have been evil, corrupt, and a despot...but we created and enabled him. Those that created this dictator have dispensed with the middleman and gone direct.
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wubbathompson Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 03:56 PM
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7. So what if we enabled him in certain ways
We certainly didn't direct his behavior since the late 1980's and he still chose to murder thousands, invade another country and tyranically rule Iraq. The world is better off with him guilty in a court of law and then six feet underground.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 04:04 PM
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9. Uhh,...oh, nevermind. n/t
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 04:07 PM
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10. The exact same thing can be said about b*sh and his fellow traitors.
I'd be happy if they were all "guilty in a court of law and then six feet underground." They can lay next to the dictator they created, enabled, and encouraged.

After all, the punishment for treason is death, and the people in the White House are out-and-out traitors.

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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 04:12 PM
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11. Yup, and they are out-and-out pro-death penalty. n/t
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 04:43 PM
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12. We were giving Saddam aid and support up to the day he invaded
Kuwait. Talk about treachery. Saddam asked April Gillispie what the US position would be on his invasion of Kuwait (who were slant drilling into Iraq's oilfields) and she told him the US would take "no position". Silly Saddam...never trust the word of a Bush.

Here's a report you can locate on the web-

U.S. Diplomatic and Commercial Relationships with Iraq, 1980 - 2 August 1990
Prepared by Nathaniel Hurd.
15 July 2000 (updated 12 December 2001 by Nathaniel Hurd and Glen Rangwala).

This should help educate you on just how good buds we (Rumsfield/Cheney/Bush) were with Saddam up until the day we invaded.

Google also, "We were snookered, Jean Kirkpatrick" for a very enlightening take on the lies that GWB1 used to get this war on and open Saudi Arabia to US military bases.

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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 04:00 PM
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8. you really think Saddam is going to live to see a trial?
I think there's zero chance of that, even his lawyer probably knows it, and is just going through the motions.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 06:12 PM
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15. Saddam's health has to be a TOP priority...
I hope somebody up there realizes this and takes great care in avoidance of accidental accidents..
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 06:13 PM
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16. Amazing that the US citizens don't raise more fuss about this
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Billions of taxpayers' dollars were spent to "get" Saddam.

Money that could have provided US citizens with Health Care, Housing, Jobs, - and other silly stuff.

The abuse scandal, at least now that it is public, has resulted in proceedings very quickly.

Thinking people know that the BFEE does NOT want Saddam to reveal what he knows about US administrations, present and past.

Saddam must not be allowed to speak honestly in any public forum, for to do so would bring down this administration, and certainly cast many dark and damming shadows on previous administrations.

Saddam will not survive.

The BFEE will make sure of that.

Remember, they (the administration) let out whispers of Saddam having some sort of cancer just after they "captured" him.

Expect that cancer to become terminal in the near future.

And with Saddam's death, so will die much of the truth.

(sigh)
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 06:31 PM
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17. Iraqis' reaction to Saddam is probably more complex that that
I would not be surprised to find out that a lot of Iraqis will be nostalgic for Saddam's time, much like a lot of Russians are nostalgic for Stalin or former Yugoslavians for Tito. The longer the occupation lingers on, the more likely this is likely to be. Much like Stalin, many will look back to an era of order and world respect, and contrast it with the present order of disorder and the contempt of invaders.

I am not saying this is right or wrong, but that it seems to be a recurring pattern. If he is hanged by a U.S. court (or equivalently a puppet government) he will become a martyr and national hero to a substantial part of the population.
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