Bush: Soldiers must answer

Fobbing it off on the lowest ranks, as usual.

Well, here's another gratuitous post... must escape... 700 Club...

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It can be taken in so many different ways .....

tell who gave them the orders.

Sounds like he believes, or wants to believe that the soldiers came up with that all on their own. Rummy and his methods have nothing to do with it. :eyes:

I expect them to be treated, the POWs, I expect to be treated humanely, just like we're treating the prisoners that we have captured humanely. If not, the people who mistreat the prisoners will be treated as war criminals.

-George W. Bush, 3/23/2003

,...you cocky crap!!! How dare you and your regime USE the integrity and blood of our soldiers, the good will of our people, the national treasure and power,...to your benefit!!!

Who the fuck do you think you are?

:argh:

King of $$$$$ and Texas

and the buck stops at your desk and the blood of Iraqis and American soldiers is on your hands! The Iraqi people do not and did not deserve this they had nothing to do with 9-11 you said so yourself. I hate that f'cker I don't need an excuse to question this disgrace and failure invading Iraq was wrong and UN-American.

Bushler you must answer at The Hague for YOUR crimes against humanity!!

No Justice, No Peace!

The outrage comes from boths sides, Americans and Arabs.

of only a few solders did it with the GOP automatons and the sheeple here in dumberica, but the world is already pointing their fingers at him and the rest of the fascist fucks in his evil admin. Just imagine what will happen if many countries decide to sanction us economically due to Bush's blind arrogant lies and smacks the world over these war crimes?

Saddam had nothing to do with any of that torture or murder stuff, nor did his boys - it was just a few bad apples in the low conscript levels of the Iraqi army.

By Bush's reasoning, Osama didn't have anything to do with anything either - just a few bad apples who happened to get hold of some plane tickets (note: I am not necessarily saying I believe the Osama version of 911 unreservedly, just pointing out the absurdity of the few bad apples theory).

What about him?!! He's the one who needs to answer MANY things!!

I'd say that's about right.

chimp is trying to foist it off on the lowly soldiers when it goes up, up, up to the top! :mad: :grr:

There is a report in Newsweek that Rumsfeld was actively involved in planning the interrogation techniques used in Gitmo. I don't see why the same would not apply to the techniques used in Iraq.

There's no way a part-time McDonalds worker from West Virginia knew the cultural significance of nudity in Iraq. I'm guessing the reason they aren't offering up any sacrificial lambs with top military brass is because it goes ALL the way up to the top.

so they can't identify who beat them.

It was someone else's fault...We will get to the bottom of it....Where's my next fundraiser???

 Colonel West’s tribute to FORCED INTERROGATION



IRAQ-NAM SEPTEMBER 2003

Army colonel fined for firing gun near Iraqi

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001814025_iraqdig13.html

A battalion commander in Iraq who fired his pistol near the head of an Iraqi detainee after his
soldiers had punched the prisoner was fined $5,000 yesterday as part of a nonjudicial disciplinary
proceeding that effectively ends his Army career.

While Maj. Gen. Raymond Odierno decided against court-martialing West yesterday, the
commander of the 4th Infantry Division in northern Iraq ruled at the end of an administrative
hearing in Tikrit that West would have to forfeit $2,500 a month in pay for two months, the
maximum fine allowed under so-called Article 15 administrative proceedings.

Lieutenant Colonel West's actions compromised his ability to command and maintain good order
and discipline within his unit," the Army official said. "Every soldier under his command now
believes it is OK to abuse detainees for information."


said Neal Puckett, a retired Marine lieutenant colonel and West's attorney. "Lieutenant Colonel
West would still be in command, would have been privately congratulated for a job well done, but
told to stay out of the interrogation business in the future."

SLAP ON WRIST TO WAR CRIMINAL WEST

ONE EXAMPLE OF THE WAR CRIMINALS BEING CODDLED BY HIGHER UPS

motivation Bu$h and his murderous henchmen and women had for invading Iraq. Excuses. Not Facts. Or real threats. Just excuses. Yes I will always doubt the motives of a leader who has to be installed by judges instead of the voters. And we let this minority bozo be in charge of our military? Shame on us. My excuse for not accepting Bu$h as my President is that he received 540,000 votes less than President Gore. Now that excuse makes more sense than Bu$h`s excuses for his war crime.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

Without addressing the problems that started and exacerbated the situation. Standard Operating Procedure for Dimbo.

Uh - it IS a photoshop, right? :)

talkingpointsmemo.com

<snip>
As I think is already becoming clear, the responsibility for all of this goes right to the very top -- to the President, the Secretary of Defense, the Vice President and many others. The point isn't that the president ordered or knew specifically that soldiers in Iraq were setting attack dogs on to naked prisoners or all the other outrages we're about to hear of. But going back almost three years these men made very conscious and specific decisions to disregard or opt out of the various international conventions, rules and traditions governing the treatment of prisoners of war and enemy combatants that are intended to prevent such things from happening.
</snip>

MIHOP, IMHO :mad:

Jenn

"The techniques devised in the system, called R2I - resistance to interrogation - match the crude exploitation and abuse of prisoners at the Abu Ghraib jail in Baghdad."

Yup, these methods are in some US covert ops handbook. Someone instructed the soldiers in these "interrogation methods" and ordered them to "soften up" the prisoners. It's time to put some real heat farther up the chain of command.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4919358-103550,00.html

Well, wherever.

from a man who went AWOL and proudly calls himself a war president and a commander in chief, who blamed his own troops for the banner on the ship when it was his PR people who did it.

He uses the troops for his greed, sending them to their deaths with lies to them about why they are going there, and now, sees fit to blame them for policies that are his.

"full accounting" for the "cruel and disgraceful abuse" of Iraqi detainees at Abu Ghraib prison."

Wait a second, junior is gonna try and cover this fiasco up, and they are in the process right now this very second setting up a believable story.

Karpinski will fall for sure, and perhaps General Smith, and General Myers for being so stupid. and that's where the buck stops and the cover up begins.

It may take perhaps two years before the truth will be exposed in it's fullest. I'd like to see it come to a head in 30 days.

vote for him in November than I'd say they deserve having the blame dumped on them. In my opinion, every last soldier should vote for Kerry in retaliation for the Chickenhawk-in-Chief's foisting the blame on them.

It is Bush who signed the executive orders, such as this one, setting up a detention system for the war on terror that circumvented the Third Geneva Convention and placed the system beyond the reach of any national or international court.

Bush is responsible for the use of torture as an instrument in the war on terror and for the outsourcing of torture to third party countries.

Bush has approved the systematic violation of human rights of which the war on terror is a macrocosm and Abu Ghraib a microcosm.

Who is Responsible? by Jack Rabbit, Democratic Underground, Tuesday May 11.

...and simply threw them in Jail...not knowing if they had any kind of involvement in criminal or violent behavior. This important fact should not be left out of the debate.

GET IT RIGHT! :grr:

"demanding answers" from ANYONE.