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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 06:26 AM
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A Double Ordeal for Female Iraqi Prisoners
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/latimests/20040511/ts_latimes/adoubleordealforfemaleprisoners&cid=2026&ncid=1480

BAGHDAD — One woman told her attorney she was forced to disrobe in front of male prison guards. After much coaxing, another woman described how she was raped by U.S. soldiers. Then she fainted.


A U.S. Army report on abuses at Abu Ghraib prison documented one case of an American guard sexually abusing a female detainee, and a Pentagon (news - web sites) spokesman said Monday that 1,200 unreleased images of abuse at Abu Ghraib included "inappropriate behavior of a sexual nature."


Whether it was one or numerous cases of rape, many Iraqis believe that sexual abuse of women in U.S.-run jails was rampant. As a result, female prisoners face grave prospects after they are released: denial, ostracism or even death.


A woman who is raped brings shame on her family in the Islamic world. In many cases, rape victims have been killed by their relatives to salvage family honor, although there is no evidence this has happened to women who have been prisoners in Iraq.

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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 06:32 AM
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1. SUPPORT THE TROOPS
Edited on Tue May-11-04 06:33 AM by saigon68






AT LEAST THE SCUMBAG WAS ALLOWED CLOTHES



Nice Job Steve Bell



Nice Job Gen Myers
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 06:38 AM
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2. Another photo for this article

A Iraqi prisoner looks through the bars of her cell in the Abu Ghraib Prison on Saturday, May 8, 2004. The woman said she was a high school teacher and wife of prominent Ba'ath Party member, and that American forces arrested her several months ago while they were looking for her husband. There are currently five women being held at the prison, held in separate indoor cells. - AP
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happynewyear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 10:16 AM
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17. boy now this is sad
To have a high school teacher imprisioned because she is the wife of Ba'ath Party member! I wonder if her huband is still alive? So many question, so few answers.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 10:24 AM
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18. Here are some more
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=index&cid=481&pg=2&cap=0

An Iraqi detainee waits to see a delegation of official visitors at the Abu Ghraib Prison on the outskirts of Baghdad, Iraq (news - web sites) Tuesday, May 11, 2004. She later said that half a dozen members of the Iraqi Governing Council and Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller, the commander of U.S.-run prisons in Iraq, visited her and the other four women in the camp, pledging that they are working to release them very soon. Official details were not available on the reasons for the arrest of the five women. (AP Photo/John Moore)

A detainee waits to see a delegation of official visitors at the Abu Ghraib Prison on the outskirts of Baghdad, Iraq (news - web sites) Tuesday, May 11, 2004. She later said that half a dozen members of the Iraqi Governing Council and Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller, the commander of U.S.-run prisons in Iraq, visited her and the other four women in the camp, pledging that they are working to release them very soon. Details were not made available on the reasons for the original arrest of the five women. (AP Photo/John Moore)

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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 06:39 AM
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3. The horrors of Abu Gharib...
...and Laura Bush had the AUDACITY to mention Saddam's "rape rooms" yesterday in an interview. Apparently, Pickles hasn't been watching the news...:grr:
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 06:42 AM
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4. Pickles apparently was just released from the Jar
Err Cocoon
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nodictators Donating Member (977 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:31 AM
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14. Effective Immediately:
"Saddam's rape rooms" will be known as:

"Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld rape rooms"

Invasion -- Occupation -- Subjugation
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 06:43 AM
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5. I can hear Rush now: "this is no different from fraternity initiations
all over the US.. Feminazi's will be saying these women were 'tortured' or 'raped' when, faithful listener, we know that these terrorists deserve the punnishment due to heir vile acts"
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prana Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 07:25 AM
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6. *shivers*
Way to point out the horrid truth.

How sad.
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wubbathompson Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 07:30 AM
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7. Out of curiosity...Are these people in prisons suspected terrorists
or are they just civilians we have rounded up. I really can't tell what the hell the prison is for, because if they were so dangerous, why are lots of the prisoners just running around out of their cells?
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ze_dscherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 07:37 AM
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8. According to the Red Cross report
... it was estimated that 70-90% of them were innocent and were detained when troops raided their houses.

And what are "terrorists" nowadays just depends on who defines them as such. I personally don't care if civilians are killed by a bomb planted by the roadside or by a bomb dropped from a plane.



You can find the Red Cross report here: here:http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6170.htm
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wubbathompson Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:23 AM
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12. Thanks
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:26 AM
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13. "Terrorism" is inflicting violence on non-combatants for political purpose
That would be our government's definition of "terrorism".

Now, I ask you,....who is terrorizing whom?

I dare say that WE have become the "terrorists",...and not just suspected terrorists. PNAC is a terrorism plan because it wages war on non-combatants for a political purpose.

Makes me :puke:

This administration makes me ashamed to be an American. I hate them for that,...I really do.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 07:42 AM
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9. Whoever thought of this and whoever implemented this way of
interrogation have no idea of the long term ramifications for either the individuals and for their culture/peoples/society/Nation and region. This was a very bad idea to begin with.

It was Milgram gone over the TOP. Many are asking How Americans can do this?? They had better review Milgram. 60% of Americans can and will do it when ordered.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:21 AM
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11. I think you're giving them WAY too much credit...
I don't believe for a minute that they didn't know the ramifications of what they're doing to these women for them as individuals and for the larger society. I seem to recall the problem of Muslim women having been raped in the Balkan conflict being ALL OVER the news for a while in the 90s. So I'm not buying that they were ignorant of what they're doing.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:42 AM
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15. Milgram's 60% figure is an understatement, opi.
Edited on Tue May-11-04 08:45 AM by TahitiNut
Let's remember that Milgram's experiment was carefully designed to observe only the effect of "authority" on the behavior of the potential abuser. The sole "justification" for infliction of pain (up to and including lethal) wasn't based on either dehumanization or adversarial memes - the abuser was never enabled in motivations of that kind.

When one contemplates the combined influences of:
(1) acting under color of authority,
(2) objectification (dehumanization) of the subject of abuse, and
(3) projection of enmity/threat on the subject of abuse,
it's very clear that the overwhelming majority of all people (probably 90% or more) will engage in and support egregious abuse, torture, and killing.

When one further narrows the population to those least mature (18-30 y.o.) adults who self-select for roles in an organization (military) whose entire raison d'etre is infliction of lethal force against an adversary/threat, one can conclude that 100% ("Ivory Soap" 99.44%?) will, under such designed influences, act in such a manner.

When our children submit themselves to service in the military, in a very substantive sense they are surrendering custody of their very souls to our safe-keeping. We (the People) have a profound duty to honor that trust by maintaining an uncompromising control over the use and deployment of our military. When we fail in that, the villains are not the military. It's us.


Mahalo.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 01:43 PM
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22. I stand Humbled by your eloquent but realistic post. Tis a sad day for
America that these procedures(evidenced by photos) and obscene rationalization consumes the top echelon of our leaders. That we cannot devise a filter to weed out the 99% is something to behold. That we cannot initiate group therapy to reduce this horrific percentage sez something about our direction as a species.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 07:46 AM
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10. This is rape not sexual abuse
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 10:09 AM
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16. It is rape but it is also a war crime n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 11:21 AM
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Scairp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:23 PM
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20. Right
So who is going to do something about this? I guess since we have clearly relenquished the moral high ground, who gets to charge our
American soldiers and their superiors with war crimes? Shouldn't they go to the Hague for trial? Am I dreaming or what?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:56 PM
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21. The Hague is a "Court of Last Resort".
What that means is that they exist to prosecute crimes that are not prosecuted within the respective nations. After all, what nation would surrender its sovereignty? As long as such crimes are prosecuted within the signatory nations, the Hague stays out of it. (Since Heads of State never prosecute themselves, they wind up at the Hague.)
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 06:18 AM
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23. Thank you for that info. I was not really sure how it worked n/t
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