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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 04:14 PM
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Kerry pulls ahead of Bush in new poll
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040516/ts_alt_afp/us_vote_iraq_bush_kerry&cid=1506&ncid=1473

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites) topped President George W. Bush (news - web sites) in a new opinion poll, one day after a separate survey showed a majority of Americans for the first time disapprove of Bush's leadership.


The Time/CNN poll showed 51 percent of likely voters favored Kerry, a Massachusetts senator, over the Republican president, who had 46 percent of support.


With the addition of independent candidate Ralph Nader (news - web sites), who ran for the Green Party in 2000, in the survey, Kerry was favored by 49 percent of voters and Bush by 44 percent. About 6 percent said they would vote for Nader.


The poll has a plus or minus 4.1 percentage point margin of error. The poll interviewed 1,001 people, including 563 likely voters, on May 12-13.

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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 04:15 PM
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1. even the convention bounce won't help him now
with apologies to WillPitt, no sitting president has recovered from numbers like this to win re-election

to quote a fav DUer "Say goodbye WhistleAss"
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 05:12 PM
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8. Probably won't get that bounce...
If recent history is any indicator. The state of the union address usually produces a bounce--not this one, though. The trip to Iraq... zilch outside of FREEPland. Capture of Saddam... well, a brief uptick that quickly disappeared.

The convention's likely to be similar. Could be an outright disaster if the repression of protestors gets out of hand a la Chicago 1968, which could easily happen. No way in hell can Chimpy or any other Repuke address the issue of skulls being split on the sdiewalk outside, other than to smirk and toss out vapid accusations.

My fond hope? That the Repuke convention is such an ugly, unpleasant celebration of greed, bigotry, warmongering, lies, and stupidity that they never recover. I think that's distinctly possible... wouldn't be the first time.

:evilgrin:
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 05:19 PM
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9. I think that's exactly what * is doing to the republican party.

It will be years before they will recover, and it won't be the same party that we know. * will make greed a dirty word once more.
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 06:58 PM
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15. Good!
It would be great to have a two-party system in which one of them, which will remain nameless (MR. SUBLIMINAL: Repukes!), doesn't stink like an overused, unserviced Port-a-John on a hot day.

:puke:
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:34 AM
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37. I've believed for a while that Bush will discredit the GOP for years after
It is only just. Stealing Florida should have been enough in itself but Bush's 4 year performance clinches it.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 04:25 PM
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2. Still a long way to go...
... 6 months, in fact... and much could go awry in the meantime; but, as in any game, I'd prefer to be ahead than behind.

The election should be a Kerry landslide; it's his -- and ours -- to lose.

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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 03:31 PM
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38. Yep. Far too early to call.
But it is indeed the Democrats' to lose.

And that, as recent history suggests, is a scary thought.
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 04:29 PM
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3. Polls nice but long way to go before Nov.
These polls are very encouraging but lets remember that it is a long time until the vote in November and that we can not let our guard down. Bush and Rove have not given up and there are some dirty tricks up their sleeves.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 04:36 PM
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5. I agree

the political environment is very volatile given the possibility of significant events both overseas and domestically that could change people's attitudes about particular policies and personalities.

That's not a stable environment to make predictions unless you are also polling people on how they would choose given certain possible future scenarios. And its not clear that you can cover all the scenarios in their kinds and degrees of effect or that people can or will say how they really would react.

That said, I think the Kerry needs to start innoculating himself against certain possibilities - very delicately - so he doesnt have to bring them up if events occur and then be accused of political opportunism. For example, he needs to start pointing out how the administration has failed to properly fund the first responders and how there actions havent matched their rhetoric in this area.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 04:31 PM
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4. Here's an interesting article from Christian Science Monitor
This election, unlike 2000, may be a rout
One theory has it that war and other events could tip the race decisively to Bush or Kerry.
By Liz Marlantes | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

WASHINGTON - Ever since the 2000 election, political strategists have been bracing for another close presidential contest. With polls showing a tight partisan divide across the nation, the 2004 race has seemed likely to hinge on which side could sway the few undecided voters in a small number of battleground states, from Ohio to Pennsylvania to, once again, Florida.

But lately, many observers are considering an alternative: that the election won't come down to any particular battleground, but will tip decisively, across a swath of states, to one candidate or the other. Rather than hinging on hanging chads, this year's contest could wind up resembling more of a sweep.

<snip>
Some of Bush's attacks on Kerry - put forward in a $50 million ad campaign that painted him as a flip-flopper and weak on defense - seem to be sticking. Although Kerry has risen in recent national polls, there are certain warning signs in how voters regard him personally. A recent Pew poll found Bush holds a strong advantage over Kerry when voters are asked which candidate they view as a "strong leader," and "willing to take a stand, even if it's unpopular."

Still, Kerry may have plenty of time to redefine himself for voters - as he's doing now, with biographical ads. Given that Kerry is now edging slightly ahead of Bush suggests that attacks from either side may ultimately shape voters' views far less than external events, say some analysts. "Bush basically threw $50 million out the window," says independent pollster Del Ali.

more: http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0517/p02s03-uspo.html
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 05:00 PM
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7. fortunately, all of Bush's accusations aimed at Kerry are coming home
to roost on the WH big time.

All Kerry has to do is not take anything for granted. During this period of uncertainty, Bush has had his minions mining the field so an unsuspecting John Kerry will do himself in, free and clear of any partakers of the Bush administration.

stay safe, Sen. Kerry!
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 01:05 AM
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27. "Bush basically threw $50 million out the window"
I will sleep better tonight because of this
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 04:54 PM
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6. This should scare Bush, Cheny and Rove into apoplexy...
and will get more interesting as time goes on..

(That song:)

"No Where To Run"...

can do strange things to people who feel they are above the law.

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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 05:44 PM
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11. I worry about what they will do
We ain't seen nothing yet.

I'm sure they'll pull out all the dirty tricks in the book and some not invented yet. Of that, I have no doubt!

Be prepared. :scared:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 10:54 PM
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20. Yep, I'm scared too...
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 05:24 PM
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10. Oh, to be a fly on the wall in the white house now.

I'd love to see the tension going on. Everyone telling rove he'd better come up with something that will turn it around. What a grand sight that woud be.
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 07:43 AM
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34. Wonder if he has
started babbling incoherently to paintings yet.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 06:09 PM
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12. Protect your poll stations!!!.......Monkey business will continue.
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Carl21014 Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 06:25 PM
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13. Notice Nader is now taking Bush votes, equally to Kerry votes!
It's 51% to 46% without Nader. When you add Nader, Kerry and Bush both lose 2%. Before all Nader votes were were coming from Kerry.

To me it says Republicans are jumping ship and looking for any independent candidate. They don't want Bush!
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 07:40 PM
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16. True
Probably 'Real right' repubs who can't stomach voting for Shrub and Reichsmarshall Ashcroft again, but can't bring themselves to vote for the Dem. The right-wing libertarian set. (Contradiction in terms if you ask me, but no one did.)
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 01:06 AM
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28. hmm.. Are the Libertarians running someone?
And how many states are they on the ballot?
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:39 PM
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24. Interesting...
I think you are on to something. Bush is losing votes to Nader too. :think:
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salonghorn70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 06:51 PM
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14. Which VP Candidate Is Best For A "National Election?'
The news article made the point that this election may be more than about a particular battle ground state. The article made the point that the election may break across a number of states and that this was more of a "national election."

So, if that is true, who would be the best VP candidate under the circumstances of the news article? It seems to me that Clark and Edwards would be best for this kind of election. Any thoughts?
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richmwill Donating Member (972 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 07:58 PM
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17. Edwards
That's who I'm praying Kerry will pick.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:53 PM
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18. I'm not praying. . . .
. . . . but I'm hoping it's Edwards, based on comparative advantage.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 10:00 PM
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19. Either Wes Clark or Ralph Nader.
Isn't it obvious?
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:15 PM
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22. Clark...No one else comes close to having better qualifications.
I'm sorry but we need someone with foreign policy and military experience...and Edwards has none. If this was peacetime...Edwards would be good. But, we NEED the good General now.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 07:40 AM
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33. Actually...he has zero qualifications
...or near to zero. However, he might be a good VP candidate BUT wouldn't you want him in a major government post instead?
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 07:50 AM
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35. Clark has a few good lines, but he has never run for office
Now is not the time to "learn on the job"
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:12 PM
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21. Hey--if those numbers are right,
Nadir isn't hurting Kerry at all. He's getting 2% from each candidate & 2% from the Undecideds. The Kerry-Bush percentage is the same with or without Nadir in the mix. I think that might mean that a lot of Repukes are disgusted with Bush but can't bring themselves all the way to Kerry, so they vote Nadir in protest. Works for me.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 12:16 AM
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26. Thin one matters as much as the polls that had Chimp up by five--Zippo.
Want to win? Register 25 people to vote in Dem areas of your state. Then bring ten Dems to the polls with you on election day. It's that easy. We turn out, we win--and there's nothing Osama, WMD, Diebold, or Jeb can do about it.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 05:44 AM
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30. That's worth repeating
So I will!

"Want to win? Register 25 people to vote in Dem areas of your state. Then bring ten Dems to the polls with you on election day. It's that easy. We turn out, we win--and there's nothing Osama, WMD, Diebold, or Jeb can do about it."
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 03:56 PM
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39. And another repetition,
Edited on Mon May-17-04 03:57 PM by Tansy_Gold
"Want to win? Register 25 people to vote in Dem areas of your state. Then bring ten Dems to the polls with you on election day. It's that easy. We turn out, we win--"


Not sure where I heard this, maybe O'Franken last week --

When polls report "likely voters," they are not talking about people who answered a question about whether they were likely to vote. The pollsters define "likely voters" as those who have voted in previous elections. Therefore, no matter how likely to vote a person actually is, it's her/his voting record, rather than intentions, that determines their status for polling purposes.

This means two very important things: First, many people have become so thoroughly disgusted with Boosh that they are registering for the first time just so they can vote against him. These newly-registered voters are not counted in the "likely" column. Second, if we Dems are going out there and registering new voters and doing our best to get them to the polls, we are not only boosting our numbers but doing so under the poll radar and keeping that info from the hands of the pukes.

(edited to fix typo in subject line)
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despairing optimist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:30 PM
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23. Help Wanted: Kool-Aid servers, GOP Convention NY, late Aug.-early Sept.
Xian fundie exp. prefd. Blond/blue a plus. Must look squeaky clean, hate evildoers, have non-serving hand ready for salutes and pledges on short notice. Business attire only. Long hrs., lo pay, no bens. Refs. req'd. UnEOE. Ask for Kenny Boy or Tommy D at MSG servants' entrance.
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:42 PM
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25. Welcome to DU ceejayay!
:hi:
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 05:38 AM
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29. good but not enough
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 06:52 AM
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31. I know these early
polls mean little, but I'm glad to see him ahead instead of behind. Lets hope Kerry can find a way to get nader to leave the race, from what I've heard he's not even trying.
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Invalence1 Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 07:20 AM
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32. My thought FWIW
Man ran a swift boat. Got himself and crew home alive. Let's not jiggle his elbow.
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 08:25 AM
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36. {snicker}
Edited on Mon May-17-04 08:25 AM by Stuckinthebush
Good point!

Welcome to DU!

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