New Iraq Prison Shock: Male Detainees Forced To Wear Women's 'Maxi-Pads'

Pfc. Lynndie England, the Army soldier seen laughing, smoking and flashing the thumbs-up in front of naked male Iraqis in photographs, has told investigators: Guards forced detainees to crawl on their hands and knees on broken glass and forced male detainees to wear women's 'maxi pads'... Guards also applied needle and thread to prisoners after beating them.... 'Would personally stitch up detainees if the wound weren't too bad' and take pictures of the work. One particular incident, a guard ran a former Iraqi general into a wall and split his lip. The guard than stitched up his lip'... MORE

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that's wierd...

To avoid inconvenient explanations to medical personnel, and the resulting records.

Not to mention that a visit to the infirmary would break the "spell", the "broken down" feeling the war criminals had worked so hard to instill into the detainees.

Maxi pads are not breaking news.............

I ask this because I've put a maxi pad on a man before, and he wasn't humiliated, he was greatful. Seems there was this fight, and one guy got his head busted open pretty good. He was bleeding like a stuck pig. The only clean, absorbent stuff I had was a box of my wife's pads, so I grabbed one, took it to him, and put it on his head after replacing the skin, along with direct pressure, to stop the bleeding. We had it pretty well stopped by the time the paramedics showed up.

He stopped by about a week later to thank me for coming out and rendering first aid to him. I guess I'm lucky he didn't sue me for humiliating him. ;)

That will answer your question.

frankly, I can't really differentiate between fundie Christians and fundie muslims, they're both nuts.

Tell me you're joking...

Maxi pads are excellent for absorbing blood, since that's what they were designed to do. The source of the blood doesn't really matter regarding functionality.

Even if they were, they were the ones causing the head wounds. So, the situation bears only the most superficial resemblance to your anecdote.

if they were *used* ones or not...
Frankly, knowing how scarce such items might be in a military setting, I very seriously doubt they'd "waste" such items just to humiliate prisoners who, culturally, might not even know what they *were*!

The scenario points FAR more reasonably to the idea that the maxis were pre-worn! That means they weren't wasted (already used), they would be more readily apparent as to what they actually were, AND
extremely degrading into the bargain!

My $0.02

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these are muslims who think and treat women worse than 2nd class citizens. It would be considered UNCLEAN. These people are fanatics about sex, nudity, etc. Totally against their religion. It would've been very humiliating.

how Iraqis treat women?

How many Iraqi women have you talked to?

Most people of whatever religion wouldn't enjoy wearing someone else's sanitary product particularly if it had been used, that's unhygienic by anyone's standards.

Anything that touches a woman or might have touched a woman is going to be upsetting.

Was it totally abandoned? When you have an administration who has a cowboy myopic attitude, you have these insults to human integrty. Violence begets violence and Bush told them to bring it on. He'd cruelly humiliate and torture Iraqis who were never even charged with a crime. Bush sickens me.

Lynndie England seems the type, no?

I don't know. I feel like it almost doesn't make a difference at this point.

and I'm outraged about that...this is serious shit.
Maxi's "new or used"
Or am I just being too P.C.?

there are a lot of people here who don't seem outraged at any of this and act as if it was all "kids pranks" or some humanitarian mission ruined by a few "mis-guided" apples who were out for the welfare of these prisoners what with their kotexes and burgeoning surgical skills. :puke:

You're not alone in your outrage.

Yes it is serious shit & there's nothing funny about it.

It all adds up to a War Crime and certain Neanderthal Wolfmen should explain all of this to the world sitting in the Dock at the Hague

This stuff is disturbing and disgusting.


:puke:


:argh:

nt

,...where prisoners are FORCED to crawl on all fours on broken glass then their injuries are hand-stitched by guards rather than medics.

Un-freakin-believable!!! These are such OBVIOUS war crimes!!!

:argh:

when soldiers write snappy little messages--i.e."Uncle Sam comes to call after 911, sand nigger" on bombs before dropping them on schools and hospitals.

Same mindset and weren't no one making a fuss or recognizing the target's humanity.

Because of this treatment, as soon as they are released from jail, they will go out and buy flowers to throw at the troops.

:-)

Who exactly thought of using women's maxi-pads as a form of humiliation?

I can only imagine how this is "humiliating" in most men's minds, but what does this say about what the person who thought of this "humiliation" thinks about women. Having a period makes one weak? What?

It's obvious that the American military has had a problem with homosexuality, but this to me indicates they are far from addressing homophobic issues when they aren't even close to working out their view of women.

I don't cry sexism/racism or any other -ism easily, but this is fucked up.

I have no idea what you are ranting about.

If it has, please point me to a link that proves it.

I can't imagine these soldiers went around collecting bloody menstrual pads to use to humiliate prisoners, let alone any woman who would give hers up for them to use. Until it's proven, I will just assume they just made them wear pads.

BTW, I AM aware of what Arab culture believes about menstrual blood. How exactly does that change anything I said? Yes, it may be nasty, but to use women's periods as a means to degrade a man indicates they view women as somehow "weaker" because they bleeds once a month. Hopefully, you don't agree with such nonsense.

Okay, I know that the Daily Mirror is facing its own abuse photos crisis, but this report from March sounds credible. I have not seen any other follow up on it though. (on edit ... this is refering to Guantanamo ... )

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_objectid=14042696_method=full_siteid=50143_headline=-MY-HELL-IN-CAMP-X-RAY-name_page.html

<snip>

But Jamal's most shocking disclosure centred on the use of vice girls to torment the most religiously devout detainees.

Prisoners who had never seen an "unveiled" woman before would be forced to watch as the hookers touched their own naked bodies.

The men would return distraught. One said an American girl had smeared menstrual blood across his face in an act of humiliation.

Jamal said: "I knew of this happening about 10 times. It always seemed to be those who were very young or known to be particularly religious who would be taken away.

"I would joke with the other British lads, 'Bring them to us - we'll have them'. It made us laugh. But the Americans obviously knew we wouldn't be shocked by seeing Western women, so they didn't bother.

"It was a profoundly disturbing experience for these men. They would refuse to speak about what had happened. It would take perhaps four weeks for them to tell a friend - and we would shout it out around the whole block."

Jamal added: "The whole point of Guantanamo was to get to you psychologically. The beatings were not as nearly as bad as the psychological torture - bruises heal after a week - but the other stuff stays with you."

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I'm really surprised to see how many people here are apparently unaware of this. THAT is why this is a particularly disgusting form of humiliation--whether you agree with the muslim position or not.

still indicative of how back-wards even our progressive USA is. Not much has changed in America showing Muslims how to respect women. America, home of the hypocrites.

Here's a discussion that doesn't link to Drudge, as well as being earlier:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x565057