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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:15 PM
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Kerry doesn't ask Nader to bow out
By Nedra Pickler

May 19, 2004 | WASHINGTON (AP) --

John Kerry met with independent Ralph Nader Wednesday, but the Democrat didn't ask the third-party candidate to quit the presidential race despite widespread Democratic fears that his candidacy could ensure President Bush's re-election.


Kerry told The Associated Press shortly before the meeting that he believes he will "reduce any rationale" for Nader's candidacy, but he would never ask another candidate to abandon an election bid.

"In the end, I hope I can make people aware that a vote for Ralph Nader is a vote for George Bush," Kerry said. "A vote for John Kerry is a vote for the principles and values they care about."

Following the meeting, Nader said the two discussed a variety of issues, but Kerry never asked him to abandon his independent campaign.

http://www.salon.com/politics/wire/2004/05/19/nader/index.html
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:19 PM
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1. Good (eom)
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Tina H Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 10:00 PM
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20. Just heard it on CNN . . .
I am going to become a Kerry fan if he doesn't get more careful about avoiding saying things that piss me off. And that is a threat.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:20 PM
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2. Wouldn't it be great to have a real President with self-confidence?
...One that believes it's American for everyone to have a voice?

One who is unafraid of opposing or differing opinions?

One who has the ability to reason?

One who is not afraid of discussing ideas?

One who embraces the Truth?



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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:40 PM
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12. One who has a spine?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:03 AM
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24. Are you obsessed with Kerry's "backbone?"


John Kerry doesn't have a back problem.



John Kerry exhibits leadership skills.



Kerry can also work alone.

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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:24 PM
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3. Nor should he have.
I want Ralph to drop out as much as anyone, but Kerry shouldn't be the one to tell/ask him to do so. Nader has a right to run under our system, regardless of the consequences.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:48 PM
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18. Exactly, its up to us to get votes for Kerry
people can vote for whoever they want. Nader even said to vote for Kerry if you want to get rid of Bush.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:25 PM
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4. Good for him.
John Kerry, he's my man.
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metisnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:29 PM
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8. Honest John
Honest John Kerry BELIVES IN DEMOCRACY!!!!!

He wants to engage America in a debate for the common good of all of us. It is about time John Kerry is exposed for who he is...a defender of democracy!

:kick:
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:27 PM
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5. Nader will cost Kerry some votes, but the margin
for Kerry will probably be so huge that it won't matter too much. Kerry must know this so there is plenty of room to take the diplomatic approach!
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Alerter_ Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:28 PM
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6. Kerry did good by meeting Nader
Ignoring the Nader people was the insult they hated. Kerry did the right thing. Now he can go on and campaign against Bush and against Nader (from different angles obviously).
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:28 PM
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7. I've gotten thumped,...but, I will repeat: Nader is Kerry's best friend.
Nader is stating truths that Kerry cannot state,...if he is to WIN.

Nader is an asset,...not an enemy.

I'm telling you,...do not take this man's contribution for granted,...please.

Okay,...go ahead and DUMP!!!!
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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:30 PM
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9. I agree, but hard to tell if this will outweigh Nader's oft-stated
detrimental effect on Kerry's campaign...
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metisnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:32 PM
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10. no dump here
both believe in democracy Nader is an attack dog. Unsafe at Any Speed, who's side do u think he is on? I am happy Kerry listened to Nader, now he will weigh the issues and do what is in his heart to help all americans.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:34 PM
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11. Kerry did the right thing in not trying to discourage Nader from running..
the implications if he did could have been catastrophic to his presidential bid.

As a side note, has anyone else noticed Nader's poll numbers are draining points from Bush not Kerry?
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Alerter_ Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 08:34 PM
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15. Nader is an old fashioned, Main Street, Labor Friendly Republican
In fact, Nader's Consumer Unions were almost a Republican version of Labor Unions that the Democrats had. Nader could never go for the liberal social culture that the Dems promoted either, but absolutely wanted the government out of people's personal lives, very much like the old Republicans used to be.

Aside from the heated rhetoric, I can see why old fashioned moderate Republicans would vote for Nader.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:05 PM
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16. Actually, Nadir seems to be draining about equally
Edited on Wed May-19-04 09:14 PM by Jackpine Radical
from Bush & Kerry.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:50 PM
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19. I noticed he takes from both
I think like a third or a fourth of his 2000 votes were from Bush. interesting...
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turiya Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:50 PM
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13. "never ask another candidate to abandon an election bid"
Why can't some of the psychotic Nader hating people understand this concept of democracy?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 08:28 PM
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14. Another article: sounds good!
Kerry, Rival Nader Discuss White House Bids
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat John Kerry held "a friendly discussion" with rival Ralph Nader on Wednesday but did not ask the independent candidate whose third party run could sink his presidential bid to drop out of the race.
<snip>
"These two have known each other for 30 years," the aide said. "Obviously it was a very friendly discussion ... there was nothing contentious about it."
<snip>
"He believes he is helping John Kerry by doing this," the aide said. "That he can provide a sharper counterpoint to Bush and that the Democratic Party over the past 10 years has not been particularly tough on these issues."
<snip>
The four-term senator from Massachusetts pointed out that he and Nader had been "together for 30 years" on issues like corporate welfare, consumer issues and abortion rights. The Nader statement said corporate welfare, corporate crime and union rights were among the issues discussed.
<more>
http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=866942&tw=wn_wire_story
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:40 PM
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17. Good Politics. I think part of Nader's appeal to some folks is the
stick a thumb in your eye, stick it to the man crowd.
Not all by any means but some. Kerry's actions have a neutralizing
effect. Good work.
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 10:24 PM
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21. OK, Nader had his mtg with JFK - now let's just forget about Ralph
Nader is a non-factor. Look at the latest polls: 4,5,6% total and pulling equally form Kerry and Bush.

Let's just stop talking about him. He's not a factor this time.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:01 AM
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22. Say "Kerry," please, not "JFK"

President Kennedy was universally known as JFK, and many of us still remember his assassination with grief.
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Mechatanketra Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 02:50 AM
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23. Oh, really, John?
"A vote for John Kerry is a vote for the principles and values they care about."

I wasn't a Nader voter in 2000, and I'm not likely to be in 2004 --but Kerry's chances of convincing me he's a vote for my values and principles are slim over none unless he can stop talking about the Iraq war as 'mishandled' and publicly recognize that it's just a mistake (i.e. that we have no valid reason to have invaded).

In all likelihood, the Republicans are still going to control Congress no matter who takes the White House, which means the #1 job skill is not signing onto their damn bills. You can't run an essentially scare campaign ("Vote for us or the Republicans will stay in power!") with an appeasement candidate ("Don't rock the boat, you'll scare the swing vote!"). Just doesn't gel.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:25 PM
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25. Huh? I don't think Kerry's an appeasement candidate ...

and I don't think he's running a scare campaign. I'm not sure where you got the quotes ("Vote for us or the Republicans will stay in power!" and "Don't rock the boat, you'll scare the swing vote!"), but I'm sure they didn't come from Kerry or his campaign.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:29 PM
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26. Just go home and go to bed Kerry...We know you're for Bush!!!!
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:38 PM
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27. Whaaaaaa????
Idoan geddit.
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