US seeks war crimes exemption extension

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1112594.htm

The United States has circulated a draft Security Council resolution to give US peacekeeping troops another one year exemption from prosecution by the world court at The Hague.

The measure is likely to face misgivings after revelations that US troops abused prisoners in Iraq.

(snip)

"We'll have finished abusing them in about a year"

You only have a year to stop collecting those USED DIRTY KOTEX MAXI-PADS.

SO GET ON WITH THE SHOW.

Just when I think I've seen it all in my almost 60 years--THEN this gang OF THUGS AND HOODLUMS outrages my sensibilities even more.

If I would have suggested that FEMALE TROOPS would have been saving used dirty MAXI-PADS To make POWS wear on their heads and faces (A YEAR AGO ON DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND) I would have been banned forever as a troop hater.

Now look at this SHIT

As Tahiti Nut points out correctly-- These low ranking troops could never come up with all the culturally degrading
skits if you took all their brains and combined their IQ's NO THIS IS THE CIA, DIA and MI-- plus at least 3 different CONTRACTING companies.

smell the palpable, ghastly odor of burning human flesh



WOULD YOU HAVE HELPED?


Any of us who've read about that horrific era are terrified by the thought of it, the photographs, even by meeting people who lived through it. Our hearts break. We cannot possibly comprehend. How can we say, "We're sorry"? It is not enough.

But of what are we most afraid? I personally think what torments us most about that piece of charred history is our not really knowing how we'd have reacted had we been non-Jewish Germans living in Deutschland at that time. Oh, many of us loudly insist we'd have taken a stand, protested, put a stop to the slaughter of millions. In fact many did try, some were successful, but many ended paying the ultimate price for their heroism.

We are left wondering if we really would have had the courage to stand up to the black, brutal violence of Nazism, if we would have had the bravery to save even one life; Jewish, Gypsy, homosexual, mentally or physically handicapped, or any marked for extermination in order that the so-called Aryan race be kept pure. Would we? Would you? Would I?

I've pondered on this problem a great deal over the years. I was alive, happy and thriving back in the 1930s and 40s while millions were dying in ways so horrible most of us cannot touch our minds to the thought of it for fear it will burn into the very core of our psyches. Children like me were being ripped to pieces. Who knew? Did you? Did we? Did I?

I wonder if I'd been a parent in Germany with a family I loved and knew what was happening, and yet because a horrible war was exploding all around me, would I have had the courage to scream "Stop!!"? Would I have taken the terrible chance that my family would be piled amongst the slaughtered because of my heroics? If I lived near a crematorium and could smell the palpable, ghastly odor of burning human flesh, would I have called a meeting of my neighbors, demanding to know what that was? Would I, like so many did, have spent my life protesting, "But we just didn't know!" Would I have put my beloved family at risk to save complete strangers?

more
http://www.vansavage.com/columns/holocaust.shtml

Well Frist would have been herding them in.
Ashcroft would have been arresting them.
Bush would have been saying how its us or them. terrrrrrists...
Cheney would have just sat back and enjoyed the smell of burning flesh.
Rove would have been goerbelsing it up.
And Rummy would just keep on being smug in his nazi specs.

ad nauseum.

oh I would have been in the oven i guess...........jew.

the weight of the world is on my shoulders.

Damned Jews, errr, liberals!

where at least I know I am free" since our national leaders have made a mockery of us, what our nation should stand for, and that anthem.

My ass.

If the other members of the Security Council don't take the resolution out and burn it, they're not doing their jobs.

Hey, Bush ...

talk about a license to torture! . . . and we've apparently utilized it to the fullest . . . the U.N. would be crazy to grant an extension in light of recent revelations . . . but they'll probably do it anyhow . .

to sign onto the last exemption. There were alot of countries that refused to authorize it. My guess is that even the bought/blackmailed/coerced will now be less likely to sign another exemption agreement.

The shame of this administration knows no depth. As the entire fu*king world witnesses the atrocities in Iraq, the criminals pressure others to look away! As Bob Dylan once said: 'A hard rain's a gonna fall'!

p.s. -hi agent mike!

Diplomats said the US would try to push for a vote on Friday.

With the outrage over the treatment of Iraqi prisoners, it was not immediately clear if the US would be able to muster strong support on the 15 nation council.

Members of the Security Council:
Chile
31 December 2004

February
China
Permanent Member

March
France
Permanent Member

April
Germany
31 December 2004

May
Pakistan
31 December 2004

June
Philippines
31 December 2005

July
Romania
31 December 2005

August
Russian Federation
Permanent Member

September
Spain
31 December 2004

October
United Kingdom
Permanent Member

November
United States
Permanent Member

December
Algeria
31 December 2005

Angola
31 December 2004

Benin
31 December 2005

Brazil
31 December 2005

http://www.un.org/Docs/sc/unsc_members.html

NOT!

:grr:

"Er... um... this may seem kind of.... oh, crap... uh... Nevermind."

It's an interesting coincidence that our UN Ambassador will soon be the ambassador to Iraq.

But don't get me started on Negroponte ... he proved in Honduras that he's an expert at covering up torture and killings.

"an innocent soldier might be found guilty"


Well,perhaps it's time to support the world court and hold it to the highest possible standards..and also make sure our own courts are held to those high standards as well. America can't even let go of the hypocrisy of her own "justice" system long enough to entertain the notion of a fair justice system with the world.

"soldiers might be found guilty simply because they are Americans (because of our foreign policies)"

Well, maybe it's time to rethink those policies.

You want to liberate others?..try liberating yourself first.

America, take responsibility for your actions!

Judicial System. Americans might be found guilty simply because they are of a Low socio economic class. Perish the thought!!

RC

Odd that they are the only pictures coming out. All the 'unknowns' are off the film. We saw them with the first group from the rear anyhow but the faceless people telling them what to do have just gone to ground. Oh well these people going to the brig are from MD and that state votes Dem any how. My God I am reading odd things into this.

and i will personally threaten my representative and senators with failure of their election prospects if they even *entertain* the notion of letting this torture issue slide.

and the security council better do their job too!

over my dead body do these jerks get to soil the once good name of my country anymore with their nefarious deeds.

to him now they will lose the rest of their credibility. Our regime has joined the worst human rights violators of the world and it does NOT make me proud at all.

"The US got the council to vote unanimously for immunity in 2002 by vetoing the extension of a UN police training mission in Bosnia.

It threatened to block all peacekeeping operations, one by one, as their mandates came up for renewal at the council."

I suspect they will try this again. No country should be able to use their veto on other resolutions in order to blackmail the UN to benefit their own resolution.

if they don't get the exemption then they will pull all peacekeeping troops out and they will then have more fodder for Iraq.

I find it revolting!!!

If they have nothing to hide, then what's the problem with the UN policy as it stands?

I love throwing that reasoning back at conservatives. It's like what they used to say about drug testing "If you're innocent, what do you have to hide?".

Sorry to admit this is news here at the moof hut.
Did the Traitors do something to divert attention away from it at the time ?

of Afghanistan and Iraq. It was about the time the US was backing out of all the treaties and agreements we had made, nuclear disarmaments, environmental agreements, etc. The media and our government thought it was a grand idea. DUers of course thought it was a license to maim and kill and unfortunately we were correct as usual.

or Fuggetaboudit.

What was the supposed reason that we needed the war crimes exemption?
Because it would be used politically? RIGGGHHHHHTTTT...

this is it:

The measure is likely to face misgivings after revelations that US troops abused prisoners in Iraq.

would be raising hell about this. So they knew they were planning to commit atrocities or why else would they want an exemption from prosecution. If this does not say it goes to the top, what does??

i think that's a little extreme.

More than likely, the administration is not evil, only stupid and cheap. Rather than "planning" to commit atrocities, they want immunity in case any MORE of their poorly-trained soldiers* thrown into a volatile and dangerous situation do horrible things to prisoners... which could concievably lead to trying senior administration officials as war criminals, which would guarantee big Democrat wins in the election.

I suspect Rumsfeld wasn't lying when he said that he was shocked as anyone to see those pictures. The big talking heads don't sit around dictating every little beating and humiliation and random act of violence that happens in Iraq; they have a whole world of foreign policy to conduct that doesn't make the front page. Expecting immunity from the world court at this point is probably bad PR, but nowhere near as bad as being tried in said world court. They may not get their way, but they have to try to cover their butts.

dusty
(not that the army is poorly trained, just that it puts people who are not trained to be prison guards in a prison, guarding prisoners)

their troops properly rather than ask for immunity because the training job hasn't been done properly in the first place. This is a bogus excuse, imo.

Rumsfeld knew what was going on, he was only "shocked" that the photos made it into public view. I believe he not only knew but that he signed off on the ROEs regarding treatment(torture) of Iraqi detainees.

There must be no "exemption" giving a green light to Nazi-style brutality. Is the whole world comprised of stooges and quislings?

Damn the world if they give in to these criminals' demands.

For once we have bunkerboy and his ENTIRE gang of thugs by the short hairs, and they might just give up?

Go for the throat boys!

Please please please please - no more exemptions!

KICK

you can get immunity!?

"threatening to cut military assistance to those that do not sign an accord"

These POS in the wh have no shame.