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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:35 AM
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Senate wants Gitmo 'torture' videos, too
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040519-070318-7612r

Videotapes that ex-inmates say show guards beating prisoners at the U.S. military detention facility in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have been reviewed by the inspector general of the Navy and will be provided to senate investigators, a military spokesman told United Press International.

U.S. officials insist that detainees are treated and interrogated humanely at Guantanamo and that any abuse is immediately reported and punished. Nonetheless, news of the existence of the tapes raises the prospect of more images of alleged U.S. brutality emerging, broadening and deepening the scandal over what Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld called the "radioactive" pictures of detainees being abused at the now twice-notorious Abu Ghraib prison complex in Iraq.

One set of the Guantanamo allegations centers on the actions of the Immediate Response Force, a special team of guards tasked to deal with detainee misconduct and violence. In recent media interviews and letters to U.S. senators, three Britons who were held at the camp until their release in March 2004 described several incidents in which they say the team savagely assaulted inmates.

"They pepper-sprayed me in the face. ... They tied me up like a beast and then they were kneeling on me, kicking and punching," Tarek Dergoul, one of the three, told the Observer newspaper in London Sunday.

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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:38 AM
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1. The cat's jumping out of the hat now!
The whole world is watching America's war on terror!
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Mokito Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:32 AM
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23. The whole world is watching America's war on terror...
...rapidly morphing into America's war OF terror!
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:39 AM
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2. Damn, who knew! The infamous 6 or 7 can time travel!
They seem to be everywhere!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:44 AM
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:47 AM
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5. Do you consider raping a man with a broomstick...
...an effective interrogation method?

I would think that any information obtained this way would be highly suspect and unreliable.

Although perhaps Americans just get off on that sort of thing...:shrug:
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ender Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:48 AM
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6. and according to geneva...
you cant torture people.

so yes, if you expect to be part of the civilized world - YOU DONT TORTURE PEOPLE.

you aint gonna last long 'round here.
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GregW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:49 AM
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8. Get thee back to FR!
Begone!
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Spentastic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:50 AM
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9. Since when has the U.S.A
Been in the "interrogation business"?

That's the point imbecile.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:50 AM
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10. I guess you missed the IRC report,...
,...and you are presuming guilt of people who may have been at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Doncha' think that's kinda,...unAmerican of you?

:shrug:
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PolJugglr Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:51 AM
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11. Interrogation is being used wrongly
Edited on Thu May-20-04 08:52 AM by PolJugglr
therefor interrogation techniques are being applied to innocent people (remember that 70-90% of iraqis were wrongly arrested??)

This presents a problem, think if you were taken by accident and tortured, then perhaps you would think that we need to have MORE HONEST people handling such important issues. Nobody is saying that the need to make someone talk does not occassionally exists, it's the fact that it is being SEVERELY abused by this administration that is the problem.
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zanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:51 AM
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12. Do you have a tail?
You're acting like an animal.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:54 AM
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13. How long have you been in "the interrogation business"?
Please supply hard evidence of American lives saved by torture.

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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:55 AM
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14. mr. israeli troll
I know better than to bother with you...like talking to a woodtick...but... If you want to interrogate "hostile folks that may save American lives" how about we pee on a bag and put it over Sharon's head? Pass around the blue rubber gloves and get us some answers. What do you say?
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Amerpie Donating Member (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:57 AM
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15. Hatred
The end does not justify the means. A huge majority of the detainees at Abu Ghraib are admittedly, not guilty of anything. Treating them all as if they are Osama bin Ladin incarnate doesn't save American lives. It only creates more hatred and more danger for us.

Also, how do you think the treatment of Iraqis will influence the treatment of Americans who are captured? My only son is set to deploy to the region in the next few months. For me, and the hundreds of thousands like me, this is one of the key issues.

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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:57 AM
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16. SO A DIRTY USED KOTEX MAXI PAD IS OK ON THE FACE?
That will make someone talk ???

Why not just pull out their finger nails

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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:00 AM
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17. Love your minora
Yay for your post. Let's use chemical light sticks to sodomize all brown skin people and see what they say. Probably great intel. I imagine they will say whatever they think you want to hear in order to get you to stop.

Maybe that's how we got the intel on WMD's for invading IraqNam?

Just guessing, though.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:08 AM
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:13 AM
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21. Indicative of what?
That the person isn't Jewish and therefore misspelled the word?

So if you're Jewish, where does it say in your religion that rape, torture and murder are acceptable means to treat prisoners?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:46 AM
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4. Miller will be in deep shit once Congress gets hold of that evidence.
Because it will directly conflict with his sworn testimony.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:48 AM
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7. No major newspapers are headlining the story.
The strategy seems to bury it as it trickles out.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:06 AM
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18. Here is the site with the lawsuit info:
http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/home.asp

They are suing the US. But of course, who would know that with the news censorship.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:10 AM
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20. Thanks for that link.
:bounce:
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:26 AM
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22. I heard Sy Hersh
on PBS last night talking about a 3 star General contacting him. He told Sy that he is responsible for all these kids in Iraq and now he has to think about if the Iraqis will do the same thing if any of those kids he orders into battle are captured. Sy didn't give the name of course but that 3 star is furious. Nothing like fighting a war with one hand tied behind your back.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:36 AM
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24. Do we even dare hope
for a real investigation on this one?

They need all of the evidence from Ashcrofts post 9/11 detentions to Afghanistan to Guantanamo to Iraq.
Including evidence of US sending people to 3rd countries to be tortured.

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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:49 AM
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25. Afghanistan has now been added to the list...
Abuse claims prompt "top to bottom" probe of US prisons in Afghanistan

KABUL (AFP) - America's top military official in Afghanistan (news - web sites) has ordered a "top to bottom" probe of its 20-odd detention sites here following allegations of prisoner abuse, an official said Wednesday.


Following the release of shocking pictures of US soldiers abusing detainees in Iraq (news - web sites), two new cases of alleged mistreatment of Afghans in American custody have surfaced and are being investigated by the US military.


Lieutenant General David Barno has directed "a top to bottom general officer-led review and assessment of all coalition detention and holding operations in Afghanistan," spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Tucker Mansager told a press conference in Kabul.

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On Tuesday German news weekly Stern reported that US troops in Afghanistan have written permission to threaten, use dogs and fire mortars near prisoners to help extract information during interrogations. The Pentagon (news - web sites) has denied the report.

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/afghanistan_us_prisoners
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