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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 05:46 PM
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House votes to destroy Iraq prison
Edited on Thu May-20-04 05:47 PM by JoFerret
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040520/ap_on_go_co/prisoner_abuse_prison&cid=512&ncid=1480

WASHINGTON - A proposal to destroy the prison where Iraqi detainees were abused moved forward Thursday as lawmakers voted to include it in a defense spending bill.


The measure, by Pennsylvania Reps. Curt Weldon, a Republican, and John P. Murtha, a Democrat, would demolish the Abu Ghraib prison and build a modern detention facility in its place. It was included in a $422 billion defense authorization bill the House approved Thursday.


"This prison was a symbol of terrorism under Saddam, and it was an institution that the Iraqi people despised," Weldon said.


The abuse that happened at the prison "really created a bad perception in Iraq (news - web sites)," Weldon said. "So my feeling is, tear it down. Get rid of it Not just because of what a few soldiers did, but because of also because of what that symbol meant to Saddam, and show the Iraqi people, 'Hey, we don't want that kind of torture anymore.'"

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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 05:47 PM
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1. Oh, that evil building
Bad, bad building!

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 05:49 PM
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2. But, but it has been renamed
Camp redemption... you mean we want to destroy Redemption
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 05:52 PM
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4. Why not Liberty Dungeon?
Edited on Thu May-20-04 05:52 PM by Politicub
The sad thing is, a "modern detention facility" is to be built in its place. Bush will have a more efficient and modern torture chamber after the old one is destroyed.

Camp Redemption has an awfully fudie sounding ring to it, don't you think?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 05:53 PM
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7. I'm all for destroying redemption...
if it also means destroying all the bad people responsible for the mistreatment.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 05:55 PM
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10. Redemption
That they would have the unmitigated temerity, stupidity, blindness and arrogance to choose that term - redemption - may be one of the clear indications that they just don't care/ don't know/ don't want to know.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:22 PM
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30. Lets call it " Bergen -Belsen" in memory of another great prison
Maybe we can get what's left of Anne Frank's faimily to dedicate it and we can all buy memorial bricks for its entrance way.




</Extreme Sarcasm>
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bushh8ter Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 05:49 PM
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3. Quick ! Destroy the evidence!!!!!
EOM
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 06:54 PM
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22. They probably already painted the walls.
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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:01 PM
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27. my thoughts exactly
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 05:53 PM
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5. "build a modern detention facility in its place"
yeah, I'm sure THAT won't have any bad reputation in Iraq!

:eyes:


$100 says it will have extensive underground facilities
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 05:53 PM
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6. I wonder who will build it???? got any guesses
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 05:54 PM
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8. can we say "no-bid contract" kiddies?
I thought we could...
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 05:55 PM
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9. http://www.halliburton.com/
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Mokito Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 05:57 PM
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11. Naw, that seems like a long shot...eom
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 06:02 PM
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13. God, ya think they would have the balls to
let Halliburton do it? No shame at all!!!
:kick:
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 06:09 PM
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15. But...what should they build?
Suggestions?
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 07:09 PM
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24. the British built Abu Ghraib in the '60s
http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.php?id=63927

Built by British business during the 1960s, the prison sprawls over 115 hectares, with high walls, watchtowers and barbed wire.
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 06:01 PM
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12. Amnesty International ought to take it over
and turn it into a museum of torture, a complete history of instruments of torture, including the rack, the iron maiden, the yellow walls, the white chair ...

Abu Ghraib should not be torn down. It should be turned into a museum of torture, as a reminder (like the Holocaust museums) of the horrors people are capable of.

Tearing it down is not going to erase from memory what our people have done, Mr. Weldon, Mr. Murtha.

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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 06:08 PM
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14. Agree!
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 06:10 PM
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17. Amnesty. Yes.
Edited on Thu May-20-04 06:11 PM by JoFerret
I love the idea of turning this over to Amnesty for their Middle East HQ. then we need an outpost on the Gaza Strip. Next stop Saudi Arabia and on to Egypt.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 07:01 PM
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23. I went to a torture exhibit in San Francisco a couple of years ago
I could barely sleep afterwards, some of the things people come up with to torment other human beings... it's very disturbing

and app. 75% of the devices on display were designed for use on women, by the Church

:puke:
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 06:10 PM
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16. Lovely. Now, LET'S GET THE HELL OUT OF IRAQ!!!! ahem *eom*
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 06:11 PM
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18. Yay! We're going to Camp Halliburton!!!
Where life is good and that evil building that made all the soldiers do those bad things is replaced by a modern facility built by Halliburton! Yippee!!
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 06:50 PM
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21. some of the happy campers




Happy Campers are transported to see a delegation of official visitors at Camp Halliburton (John Moore, AP)







Happy Campers wait to be body-searched at Camp Halliburton on the outskirts of Baghdad (AP)







What do you mean, "High Value Happy Camper?" (John Moore, AP)





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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 06:33 PM
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19. Magical thinking
Destroy the building and you destroy the memory of what happened there. Typical, though.
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 06:40 PM
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20. why build another detention facility
why not a memorial to their resiliance as a culture, or museum to honor their 6000 years of civilization, or hospital, or rehabilitation center, or orphanage. They need those things too.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 07:10 PM
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25. $422 Billion???
for what? Listen $422 billion is a lot of money. Is that a typo?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 07:43 PM
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26. Owenership?
Who owns this property?
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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:01 PM
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28. The Re-pigs figure if they burn down Castle Frankenstein themselves
the mob will drop their pitchforks and torches and go home.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:17 PM
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29. It's a pity to tear down a perfectly good building...
Oh, I see. They've got a contract deal to build a new one in the fire that will be good for Bush and Iraq...Uhhhh.
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:26 PM
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31. Had they not had all those abuses in the first place
they wouldn't have to tear that place down to show sincerity.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:36 PM
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33. Killing two birds with one Halliburton?
Pay Halliburton to tear down the reminder of Compassionate Conservatism in Action and replace it with a Halliburton monument to *.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:30 PM
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32. They should
name it after Reagan.. don't they always want to name things after their alzheimer riddled, senile excuse for a tin Stalin?

"The Ronald Reagan Memorial Torture Center"

**they are destroying evidence, they did it immediately after they murdered Saddam's sons..

why not just turn it all into a fucking parking lot for commuting Halliburton employees as they take over the middle east, spreading joy everywhere they go..


IMPEACH all these monsters. I want to see OUR Military arrest and imprison Bush and his pals for war crimes.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:39 PM
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34. That's a smart move.
That way the can destroy any more evidence of American torture chambers & rape rooms. Hey, it worked to get rid of any evidence at the WTC site.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:40 PM
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35. Destroy Abu Ghraib? Hell No!!

Let's preserve this site as a historical monument for the whole world to see.

A museum that would depict the torture chambers of Saddam Hussein and George W. Bush.
Complete with mannequins that depict the likes of Military guards like Lynndie England doing all
her antics. Snarling dogs barking at naked Iraqis and then turned loose.

The murder the blood the maimed and the heart break of the loved ones should never be forgotten.

As human beings we should all be ashamed and reminded daily of our weaknesses.

The Holocaust is still alive in the heart and minds of us and the Nazi concentration camps are still alive as historical monuments why not Abu Ahraib?
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