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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:01 PM
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White House 'lied about Saddam threat'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,995188,00.html

A former US intelligence official who served under the Bush administration in the build-up to the Iraq war accused the White House yesterday of lying about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein.

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This was the first time an administration official has put his name to specific claims. The whistleblower, Gregory Thielmann, served as a director in the state department's bureau of intelligence until his retirement in September, and had access to the classified reports which formed the basis for the US case against Saddam, spelled out by President Bush and his aides.

Mr Thielmannn said yesterday: "I believe the Bush administration did not provide an accurate picture to the American people of the military threat posed by Iraq."

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Mr Thielmann also said there was no significant pattern of cooperation between Iraq and al-Qaida. He added: "This administration has had a faith-based intelligence attitude ... 'We know the answers - give us the intelligence to support those answers'."

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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:00 PM
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1. yowza
another good one, I wonder if we will ever have real journalism in america again.
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:53 PM
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13. The guy's interview is on Nightline! Thats 2!
Here we go.... This is going to be so enjoyable. I'm picturing a number of asshole Repukes I know who will have to eat their words soon. We're going to get our country back in a BIG way. I predict the country starts to go in a more sensible direction again. We will have a very lib pres - good!
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 01:59 AM
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21. A lib president unless the voting machines are in place.
Speaking of that how is Bev Harris coming along with her project?
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:01 PM
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2. "faith - based"
I like it. Goes along with the assertion that we are to believe things are true because GWB does.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 01:22 AM
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19. sorta like "creation intelligence", huh?
Yes, that struck me too. Just like Rand Beers said: they've long since made up their minds and just do what's necessary to get their way.
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 01:57 AM
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20. I think it is more like faith based initiatives.
Since your post was about the words "faith-based" It makes me wonder why in the middle of the ground war did Bush have the troops pray for him? Did he not have the faith in his crew to cover his butt?

Now that the American falg is being peeled away from Bush and the republicans, we need to have faith and go after their hiding behing Jesus. We all know they are wrapped up in the American flag and hiding behind Jesus Christ.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:01 PM
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3. As we like to hope around here,,,,,,,Drip drip drip drip drip drip ...
drip drip
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:03 PM
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5. I can't wait til more come out of the woodwork. n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:04 PM
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7. I know....the suspense is intense!!
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:04 PM
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6. am looking for the
dripdripdripdripdripdrip...gush
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:05 PM
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8. And there will be a gusher ,,,one of these fine days!!
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:09 PM
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11. Great Graphic, Zidzi!
:hi:
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:03 PM
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4. Now we know why the Right Wing Shill, Doug thompson, fabricated
the Wilkerson story!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:08 PM
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9. I'm not clear on that story yet.....but I heard some of the bush,,,
tape in Africa, today, denying whatever and he really did sound like a paranoid, disassociated, guilty person.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 11:19 PM
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14. Yeah, my God...
he sounded incredible (literally).Really trapped, confronted by a hostile foreign press that actually dared to ask him about SOTU/Niger.
He was left babbling.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:09 PM
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10. The Shit Just Keeps Pumping Up "From the Bowels" of the White House
There will be more who will turn on Bush.

The intelligence community is steaming over being blamed by these "career politicians" who are nothing more than corporate whores.

There will John Deans and Martha Mitchells lining up to tell their stories, to sell their books.

Bill and Hillary must be having one hell of an evening tonight.

Thanks for the News, UpInArms.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:11 PM
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12. you're welcome
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 11:26 PM
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15. How many people have come forward in the past couple of weeks
with revelations on just this subject? There was Rand Beers, Gen. Wesley Clark, Christian Westermann, Robin Cook, Richard Butler, the list goes on. This is not LBN to those of us who have been following this story. When is the press and the American public going to wake up and start putting the pieces of this puzzle together?!:grr:
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 11:38 PM
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16. i'm smiling right now.
smiling. i haven't smiled at the news in days. it's not a toothy smile, just a grin, but i can feel a real heavy-duty lip-cracker coming on. heh. hahahahah. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ;^D
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 11:46 PM
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17. Ok the White House is a Big Building! Who in the Whitehouse?
is the question????:bounce:

and did Bush know???
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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 11:56 PM
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18. Here's a great article by Thielmann
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 02:22 AM
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22. Thank you, I'm bookmarking this
and probably e-mailing it to myself so I can send it on. I keep hoping if more people continue to come forward, contradicting the lies, like Rand Beers, Gen. Clark, Joseph Wilson, etc., then the press can no longer ignore this. Thanks for posting this article.:-)
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