Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Kissinger Tape: Nixon Too Drunk

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:08 PM
Original message
Kissinger Tape: Nixon Too Drunk
http://www.11alive.com/news/usnews_article.aspx?storyid=47407

Five days into the 1973 Arab-Israeli war, with the superpowers on the brink of confrontation, President Nixon was too drunk to discuss the crisis with the British prime minister, according to newly released transcripts of tape recordings.

Henry Kissinger's assessment of the president's condition on the night of Oct. 11, 1973, is contained in more than 20,000 pages of transcripts of Kissinger's phone calls as the president's national security adviser and secretary of state -- records whose privacy he had guarded for three decades. The National Archives released them Wednesday.

They show the powerful adviser trying to manage world crises even as Nixon's presidency teetered from the Watergate scandal that would consume his administration in August 1974.

In October 1973, U.S.-Soviet tensions were peaking over the Arab-Israeli war, and British Prime Minister Edward Heath's office called the White House just before 8 p.m. to ask to speak with Nixon.

"Can we tell them no?" Kissinger asked his assistant, Brent Scowcroft, who had told him of the urgent request. "When I talked to the president, he was loaded."

Guess in 30 years we'll know the truth about the times * was too drunk to handle crisis.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:12 PM
Response to Original message
1. Kissinger, traitor to America...HIDES this info....tells NO ONE...

Kissenger doesn't care about America....he let nixon remain in power while totally incompetent...and told NO ONE...

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Could say the same about those around Reagan
and the alzheimers and all those around bush who are very aware that something is terribly wrong.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #2
21. The biggest scandal of them all - Reagan's alzheimers*
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. And I can't wait.....
I'd bet my last lint ball he is drinking.... shit! I would be!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #3
35. And these people are the same ones...
...Republicans...who want to examine my pee to see if I am worthy to work for them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #1
15. If Nixon were Declared to be Incapacitated
Spiro Agnew had just resigned, there was NO Vice President.

It woulda been House Speaker Tip O'Neill in charge.

I really don't think Nixon's gang woulda liked that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
happynewyear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:22 PM
Response to Original message
4. another drunk ...


U.S. President George W. Bush (news - web sites) laughs while participating in a conversation on healthcare and community health centers while visiting Youngstown State University in Youngstown, Ohio May 25, 2004.

Birds of a feather, flock together! Oh don't you know it! :beer: :beer: :beer:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #4
18. I couldn't believe it when I first saw that photo
What has got to be going thru that circle jerk's head?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:34 PM
Response to Original message
5. this has been an open secret
Nixon's drinking was a big part of the book "The Final Days" and Nixon's condition at the time of the '73 war also has been discussed, but I'm glad that these tapes can give more authority to the stories.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:39 PM
Response to Original message
6. I thought the same thing about Bush...
how long before we find out what his mental state really was during this God-awful, bleak and dangerous period in history?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:43 PM
Response to Original message
7. Sounds like the Exxon Valdez, but on a grander scale
At any rate, that's how I see the world ending....on the "coattails" of a bunch of besotted "leaders," likely all men.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 01:03 PM
Response to Original message
8. Nixon's severe alcoholism
Edited on Wed May-26-04 01:03 PM by SOS
is a poorly kept secret. The late Murray Kempton reported that Nixon put away between a pint and a quart a day. Explains the poor decisions, paranoia, constant sweating. He was also fond of pills.
The picture of the alcoholic Nixon, with the opiate addict Elvis Presley, as they promote the "War on Drugs" is a classic.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. I was familiar with this regarding Johnson
but hadn't been aware that this was one of Nixon's problems as well.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #9
13. Johnson had an alcohol problem too?
I hadn't heard that one.

Do people here really think Bush still drinks? I don't buy that one. I think he is a dry drunk -- drunk on power. A megalomaniacal little man puffed up with a grandiose sense of himself as the god's regent on earth. His 'born again evangelism' and inferiority complex are what keep him on the dark side of sanity. I'd trust him more if he was talking to Jim Beam instead of the strange voices that tell him to go to war.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. what I don't get - is the idea that the two are mutually exclusive
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #14
32. They'r enot mutually exclusive -- I just think that Bush's
handlers would not let Bush drink even if he wanted to.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. And who's watching Bush's handlers while they get drunk, too?....
Come on...surely you don't believe that the FratBoy Fuhrer gave up alcohol, do you?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #33
37. I do because his behavior and thinking is more akin to that of a
'dry-drunk' who didn't work a spiritual/healing program than someone who is drinking. It makes him even more dangerous than if he was drinking. He's a un-self-reflective zealot whose impulse to drink is under incredible repression. A most unstable man. I agree that he desperately wants a drink.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #13
19. Honestly, I, too, would trust him more,...
,...if he were talking after some "Jim Beam" rather than the delusional state his parents helped to create for him.

I'm not even sure that he is a "megalomaniac" so much as he is in a very PROTECTED delusional state of being. He is completely out of touch,...totally in a protected realm,...

I view him as nothing but a brainwashed puppet, a mask or spokes-model, being used by very wicked people. OF course, I could be totally wrong,...but,...that is just how I see the man.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. nixon's poor decisions, paranoia, constant sweating (PHOTO)

like this....


May 15, 2004...springtime sweats with gin blossoms in full bloom...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #10
34. Bingo. Red nose and all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #10
36. Does he go to Crawford to recuperate from
or indulge in binges. I think he is more likely to binge and then exercise like heck to sweat it out. Also crawford keeps him away from prying eyes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zolok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 01:41 PM
Response to Original message
11. Old story...
this was the same month as the famous "Saturday Night Massacre" when the trickster fired special prosecutor Archibald Cox.
Dick was on a bender for the length of the Arab Israeli war...when on October 25th 1973 Kissinger-Schlesinger etc decided to take the armed forces to defcon three Nixon wasn't even in the room.
WHY?
Because the f*ckin' guy was drunk off his ass...the Russians are threatening to send spetznatz troops to Egypt and Tricky Dick is plastered!
Commie basher my fat Irish!
***
He approved the action verbally in a phone conversation with Kissinger after the meeting.
The "command and control" history of the Nixon admin is quite frightening...and is full of incidents like this.

www.chimesatmidnight.blogspot.com
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 01:51 PM
Response to Original message
12. This helps show you why Nixon was a chosen and not a leader(sic)
Found booze and pills to run away from his problems

From an old post
It's time for another Bush/Nazis thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=199853
(snip)
81. And check this out, ever wonder about Senator Joseph McCarthy

This is just so much S.O.P, let your fall take the hit, while you get the red herring out and bait everything to get the dogs barking up the wrong trees.

http://www.sumeria.net/politics/shadv3.html
RICHARD MILHOUSE NIXON
(snip)
According to the "old spies," Allen Dulles made a deal with the young navy officer who was reviewing the Konti files - Richard Nixon. Nixon would help Dulles bury the Konti files. In return, Allen Dulles "arranged to finance first congressional campaign against Jerry Voorhis." (1)

Dulles's support for Nixon paid off in 1947 when, as the freshman congressman from California, he "saved John Foster Dulles considerable embarrassment by privately pointing out that confidential government files showed that one of Foster's foundation employees, Alger Hiss, was allegedly a Communist. The Dulles brothers took Nixon under their wing and escorted him on a tour of Fascist 'freedom fighter' operations in Germany, apparently in anticipation that the young congressman would be useful after Dewey became president." (2)

After Truman's victory, write the authors, "Nixon became Allen Dulles's mouthpiece in Congress. Both he and Senator Joseph McCarthy received volumes of classified information to support the charge that the Truman administration was filled with 'pinkos.' When McCarthy went too far in his Communist investigations, it was Nixon who worked with his next-door neighbor, CIA director Bedell Smith, to steer the investigations away from the intelligence community.

"The CIA was grateful for Nixon's assistance, but did not know the reason for it. Dulles had been recruiting Nazis under the cover of the State Department's Office of Policy Coordination, whose chief, Frank Wisner, had systematically recruited the Eastern European emigre networks that had worked first for the SS, then the British, and finally Dulles.
(snip)

Is Henry Kissinger a war criminal, fascist or just misunderstood
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=345935

Kissinger & BCCI spells BUSH & 9-11
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=377323
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 02:41 PM
Response to Original message
16. Thought I'd throw in the excerpt John Dean writes in his book
Worse than Watergate. Page 26 I believe (I looked it up on Amazon's search feature).

"Has he truly replaced abusive substances with healthy running, making endorphins his new drug of choice? And what about the rumors that Prozac is for Bush what Dilantin was for Nixon? Or the rumors he has been nipping a bit? Does alcohol remove inhibitions and show the real, albeit darker, inner self (who had no problem calling a Wall Street Journal columnist, accompanied by his wife and young child, a 'fucking son of a bitch')?"

Damn, I'd love to know who in DC knows this rumor. Who are the administration insiders or pundits who whispered in Dean's ear?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 05:55 PM
Response to Original message
17. Bush mishandles things when he's SOBER. When he's drunk he's just
more accident prone.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 07:59 PM
Response to Original message
20. Was a Nixon voter at the time but
it was obvious to everyone that election night in 72 he was totally blitzed, just wrote off as being celebratory. :beer:

I still would take a drunken Nixon over a "sober" chimp anytime.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. A bit of Canadian trivia about boozing politicians
John A. MacDonald, our "father of confederation" (somewhat similar to George Washington in Canadian history) was a well known sot. In fact, one of the (unofficial) campaign slogans in a certain 19th century election was "Better John A. drunk than George Brown sober". George Brown was his usual opponent of course.

Another story had him throwing up at a debate while on a bender and declaring "that is what I think of my opponent's ideas".

He was known for always having a glass of Scotch on hand during parliamentary debates.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:51 AM
Response to Reply #22
26. That could be what was going on when Dubya's dad ralphed
on the man next to him at dinner in Japan.

Maybe he's the one who steered Bush toward drinking too much.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:39 AM
Response to Reply #20
25. Nixon killed a lot more people than Bush.
He killed 600,000 Cambodians with that ridiculous bombing mission there, lord knows how many Vietnamese, and thousands in Latin America, particularly Chile, through the coups and dictatorships down there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:53 AM
Response to Reply #25
27. He got two runs at it, however, Bush only one ,so far. God only knows
what he's capable of if he thought he didn't have to worry about being re-selected.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #20
38. Well, we know things have GOT to be bad when we're actually wishing
this.

Sonuvagun - at this point, a drunk Nixon DOES look more appealing than bushie boy. Although I can't help but suspect he still IS drinking.

The only people I ever heard slur speech like that were the following:

People just coming out of a dorm party and meeting the campus police and trying like hell to enunciate every word clearly as though they weren't about 7 sheets to the wind.

Or, people who are sick, still half asleep, or ailing in some way,

Or - people like my mother, who'll still take a phone call from a relative (like me) late at night after she's removed her dentures.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:18 PM
Response to Original message
23. I read somewhere that his mentors Ike and Mamie liked "Old-fashions"
Perhaps Tricky Dickie Boy followed suit?

:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:56 AM
Response to Reply #23
28. They liked "old fashioneds?" The heck you say!
Wonder why!


1916!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:36 AM
Response to Original message
24. Geezer Kick!
Just to show the kiddies what an EVIL sumbitch Nixxon was--and to repeat the assertion that bu$h is TEN TIMES worse!

:evilgrin:
dbt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:43 AM
Response to Original message
29. Tapes: Nixon too drunk to discuss ’73 Arab-Israeli war - MSGOP
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:50 AM
Response to Original message
30. Shouldn't 'they' have psychological, drug, alcohol testing as bus drivers
and other people with Top Secret clearances? As i've been pushing for a law for 3 years.
Nixon also popped a pill which caused schizophrenia.

Reagan had alzheimers.

Bush is psychotic.

Why do Americans who want a simple job have to take these tests but leaders with the ability to launch nuclear weapons don't? I think the UN should impose regulations on all countries leaders with nuclear weapons to take these tests. The same as all countries with nuclear electrical reactors must have international inspections.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #30
31. Give Me a Clinton Any day


So the man likes women. That is fine with me.
Better that he f's Monica than f's the country like Bush!
Clinton's mind ,IMO, was always sharp as a tack. Maybe we should thank Monica for helping to make our country a better place.

Who should we puke on for Bush, his Mama, His Poppy, Pickles or Condi or..?

Bush on the other hand is dull drunk or sober..well, I'm not sure about that because he may have never drawn a sober breath since childhood.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun May 05th 2024, 11:59 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC