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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:06 PM
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Cal Thomas Calls for 'Voluntary' Censorship on War
By Dave Astor

Published: May 27, 2004 2:23 PM EST

NEW YORK Cal Thomas, in a May 22 appearance on TV's "Fox News Watch," said he might favor media censorship in coverage of the Iraq war. But the columnist told E&P today that he didn't want censorship imposed by authorities outside the press.

"I think, like in World War II, it should be voluntary -- but with strong government and citizen disapproval if it were violated," said Thomas, whose client list of more than 570 newspapers makes him the most widely syndicated op-ed columnist in America. He said any censorship program should be overseen by a professional journalist.

Why does he feel voluntary censorship could be desirable? "I worry that some of the reporting and pictures are giving the enemy a false impression concerning American resolve and thus could add to more of our troops getting killed and bolder attacks inside the U.S.," said the Tribune Media Services writer. He added: "If the media discovered some operational plans taken by the government to capture terrorists or thwart certain acts, should they be allowed to publish and broadcast them? I don't think so, if the objective is to win this war."

Thomas said voluntary censorship "might force some in the media who believe anything they know or can find out is deserving of publication to realize that not everything is -- and to focus on their responsibilities as citizens as well as their privileges as journalists, which in my view, are linked."

http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000521119
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:08 PM
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1. I "strongly disapprove" of Cal Thomas
But they keep giving the bastard air time anyway.

--bkl
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:11 PM
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3. I Say "Let's Censor Cal Thomas"
He's just about as useless as Clarence Thomas or Thomas Sowell.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:36 PM
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20. That would be a good start.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:08 PM
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2. Red Herring.
The only reporter to try and do what Cal's talking about is a Fox News reporter - Geraldo, when he was in Afghanistan.

What Cal really wants is for investigative reporters to shut up and stop making bush look bad.

-as
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:13 PM
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4. he's a dick
I'm sorry, but ...AURGH...

DICK!!!

:mad:
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:13 PM
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5. stick a sock in it, Cal
I believe that you should be "censored" right off the airwaves - they are after all, owned by the citizens of this country, just so that news may be freely distributed, not censored by some rightwing fanatical partisan hack like yourself.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:16 PM
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6. Here's my "voluntary censorship" plan.
Everyone in the media who was totally, 100% fucking wrong about every damned thing concerning Iraq will voluntarily censor themselves permanently.

Bye, Cal.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:16 PM
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7. I favor certain columnists voluntarily falling down mine shafts
Cal Thomas can go first.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:18 PM
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8. Cal Thomas calls for "voluntary self-interrogation", urges citizens
Edited on Thu May-27-04 02:19 PM by pinto
"get on your leash". Tempering his remarks, Thomas did note that "self-flagellation was only called for in the most serious of thought crimes".

<sarcasm>
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:19 PM
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9. Did...
he say this while he was sucking Bush's dick, or after he swallowed?
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:20 PM
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10. Frankly we have been censored
the truth is only now beginning to come out about prisoner abuse, Iran, Chalibi. Yeah, cal, let's put a lid on it. You stupid fuck who only talked about Clinton getting a bj non-stop for years.

I say impeach $hrub.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:19 PM
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30. How Many Iraqi's Have Died???
how in the hell would we know?

self censorship from corporate media has kept innocent iraqi's deaths a secret. how many iraqi's have we injured? don't know?
there's so much that is being covered up, it's a joke.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:20 PM
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11. When Has The Media Published Operational Plans?

Interesting -- he uses his example to support his thoughts --

"If the media discovered some operational plans taken by the government to capture terrorists or thwart certain acts, should they be allowed to publish and broadcast them? I don't think so, if the objective is to win this war."

Sounds legitimate to me - you wouldn't want Peter Jennings to be reporting on the plan to capture OBL as it was about to be executed. You wouldn't want Judy Woodruff talking about secret plans regarding a mission.

But then, when has the media story leaked a plan to capture or thwart bad acts? Hmmm. Not ever.

Yep, just good ole Cal, concerned for our welfare.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:31 PM
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16. Of course, at ther beginning of the Iraq war ...

the Administration itself happily told everybody it was sending planes off on a 15 hour flight to bomb the last known position of Saddam.

How about a "Put a sock in it, King George" campaign for public safety?
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:51 PM
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35. No kidding... they didn't blow the capture of Saddam
Time for Cal to retire
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democrat in Tallahassee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:27 PM
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12. Molly Ivins called him one of the great thinkers of the 15th century
HA, way to go, Molly
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:32 PM
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17. LMAO
Molly is so good at those

:-)
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:28 PM
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13. The Wheels are coming off the War Wagon
and he is unhappy about this?

At this point all the Chimp adminsitration hasto go on is wishful thinking. Thank god the Repugs have the Executive and Legislative branches since they authored this policy. If you think things are wierd now, just wait and see.!
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:32 PM
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18. Yeah, whenever the war mongers have problems,

it's the fault of traitors in the media.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:40 PM
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21. that's because we only have "image problems"
and our "image" has nothing to do with reality.

Where's Charlotte Beers when you need her? :evilgrin:
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:41 PM
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22. If only they kept their yaps shut,
It would be all sweetness and light over there.

Traitors !
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:28 PM
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14. "...privileges as journalists..."
:wtf:
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:29 PM
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15. We've had voluntary censorship
We've had voluntary censorship since this war started. Look how well it's worked.
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carnival Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:52 PM
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38. The Heart of the Matter
This has nothing to do with what is or is not in America's interests, but what will best help George Bush get re-elected.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:32 PM
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19. WTF
how would we know when the Bushies are lying, except the obvious--whenever their lips are moving

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:42 PM
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23. These assholes always act like they know who the enemy is.
And yet Bush & Crew still rape, pillage, and plunder our planet. Until Cal address the REAL enemy (BFEE), I will continue to file his banter under "successful idiot".
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funnymanpants Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:44 PM
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24. Cal never graduated from eigth grade
He's made some of the stupidest, funniest, most ludicrous arguments I've ever read.

Some years ago a move came out about a cross-dresser or a bi-sexual (Victor Victoria?), and Cal said something like "First we allow homosexuals, then we allow bi-sexuals. Are standars are slipping. I mean this seriously; if we had had such relativistic standards in the 60's, we could not have put a man on the moon."

So blame the shuttle diasters of gays.
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:46 PM
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25. "Giving the enemy a false impression concerning American resolve"
Nothing false about it -- declare victory and bring the troops home. Now.
If that, to Cal, means we've "lost," then I'm comfortable with that. I was in the Army when we "lost" Vietnam, too. I lost six or eight seconds sleep over it, personally.
John
It's now 22 days, 20 hours and 13 minutes to FUNDAY. Get your reservations in now.

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harrison Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:48 PM
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26. Cal is about as useless as mammary glands on a boar hog.
Edited on Thu May-27-04 02:48 PM by harrison
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:58 PM
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27. Let's put Cal Thomas in
Abu Ghraib.

Strip him naked, put a hood on his head, attach wires to his genitals and have him be dragged with a leash by Ann Coulter while the attack dogs snarl at him.

Let's see how long his f'ng censorship proposal lasts.

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:01 PM
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28. You can tell how far America has sunk when this fuckwad is......
"the most widely syndicated op-ed columnist in America". That is down right depressing.....
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:15 PM
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29. Sorta like how the media in the Soviet Union worked, right Cal?
Is Cal a commie sympathizer? What does Cal and his RW buddies hate America so much? I'm sure he'd be happier in a totalitarian state where the government edicts aND WARS are never questioned....as long as the state is Run by Republican Fascists, like himself.
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benfranklin1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:04 PM
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31. Cal, go tell it to your conservative darling Mr. Novak.
Edited on Thu May-27-04 04:07 PM by benfranklin1776
He who revealed the identity and occupation of one Valerie Plame. Remember her Cal, the CIA agent charged with the duty of actually uncovering the actual details of transactions in real weapons of mass destruction, not the hallucinatory kind created by your neocon buddies? It would appear that she was deliberately and criminally outed as an act of political vengeance by your conservative pals in the Bush Administration. Her cover was blown and in all probability those she had contact with are dead or in fear of their lives. That would have been a good occasion for Novak to exercise some journalistic restraint and not be used as a tool of criminal political dirty tricks don't you think Cal?

Cal is obviously directing his comments at the wrong people. This is nothing but an unadulterated red herring as another poster pointed out. The fact is no responsible journalist reveals beforehand the details of pending operational plans that would get people killed. A truly responsible journalist on the other hand reports the facts clearly and accurately on what the results of those operations are, even if it is discomforting to those who ordered them. Such unfettered reporting of the activities of the government is the essential foundation of a free and open democracy. The facts in Iraq are unpleasant. Soldiers and civilans are being killed in an unnecessary war and innocent people have been tortured. Certainly it would be politically advantageous to this maladminstration for the media to stick their head in the sand and mindlessly mouth the neocon psychotic fantasy land script, but fortunately the first amendment protects those who choose to tell the American people something other than fables. Adopting the ways of Pravda and Tass do nothing to change the fundamental reality that people continue to die and be maimed on a daily basis. Such a willingness of the media to follow Cal's lead and propagandize and muzzle themselves to serve the ideological interests of those who wield political power would, as it did in Stalinist Russia, serve only to protect morally and ideologically bankrupt leaders and shield them from their rightful responsibility.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:06 PM
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32. Cal Thomas - America's Biggest Closet Case
Still hittin' those Broadway musicals darlin'?
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:12 PM
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33. Like republicans voluntarily censor the truth
What a jerk
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:47 PM
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34. so non sequitur
~Thomas said voluntary censorship "might force some in the media who believe anything they know or can find out is deserving of publication to realize that not everything is -- and to focus on their responsibilities as citizens as well as their privileges as journalists, which in my view, are linked."~

Perhaps, he's talking about the nutjobs at Fox. Geraldo would broadcast the exact location of where the forces were, and that's why he's with Fox.

Responsible reporters don't run with something confirmed by the person who told them. If he's talking about keeping things like an Abu Ghraib out of press because it makes America's image look bad to Americans, then he's out of his mind.

Muzzle yourself, Cal.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:22 PM
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36. Thomas is a stake-burning Christian medievalist
Why should any modern American listen to him? He'd burn the unwashed alive if he had the chance--and he just might get it.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:46 PM
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37. No cal, you pussy honey chickenhawk the object is to get the hell
out of where we shouldn't have gone in in the first place! Got it?

If if makes bush* and you criminals look bad, the better.

Is he volunteering to be the chief censor?

Eat shit and die, rat bastard!

You should be ashamed!
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